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[tom line]

A typical bat for a low middle user is not the same as a typical bat for a higher middle user. That's why my lower middle bats are around 2lb8oz and the higher middles around 2lb12oz.
A person in the know will take into account the middle position of the bat in question and judge for themselves whether it will be suitable for them.
I do think though that too many people are a little precious when it comes to bat weights.

I'll agree with this as a couple of months ago I went down to see Matt at H4L to pick a devil from the ones he had avaibable, I had asked for the ones around 2,8 to be picked out for me. I used before this a 2,75 bat with a low middle. The bat I selected from the few that Matt had available felt the same as my at that stage current bat, it was only when I weighed it after playing a few indoor games with it and someone asking me how much it weighs that I realised it is now at 2,10.7 with a toe guard scuff sheet and hybrid grip. It doesn't change anything in my mind but weird to think how a thicker handle duckbill toe and thicker shoulders could make a bat with 3 ounce weight difference feel the same in my hands. Lesson learnt; pick on feel

[procricket]

Yes it does exist. A recent video we did of a GN500 weighed 2.10 and it felt just like a 2.10.

How do I know what a 2.10 bat feels like? 38 years of experience with branded cricket bats.

I agree 100 per cent with your comment experience of bats i know what 2-8 feels like as it what i use but i have weight my bats and some where 2-10 some where 2-7 but they all felt 2-8..

Balance and pick up is more important than dead weight i don't like if it used as a sales tool but when density is involved for instance i can assure you if i use a 400 cleft and a 410 cleft so one ounce different if i tend to put it closer to my hand the weight i can get a heavier cleft feeling around the weight even though i know it a ounce heavier..

A "typical bat" comes from the experience of the user i also know what a 2-10 and 2-6 feels like.

Always go on feel or pick up or quality controlled measure if you can

[procricket]

Or as i say pick up 20 bats find the one that feels like your current bat which ever forumite knows down to .001 of a ounce
pick the one closest to what your bat you use feels like.

Weight it you will be surprised most of the times....

Pick up and balance is the way forward now if you cant be there the knowledge of the shopkeeper/maker is very very important.

[The Doctor]

That's all I needed to read, and the crux of my entire point. A 'typical' 2'10 bat does not exist.

Begs the question - how do you sell your bats then, both in store and online?

[The Doctor]

Also  the greater  the bow of the blade  the higher ther centre of gravity therefore a blade with a pronounced bow and a low middle will pick up lighter than a flat blade with an high middle

In my mind The only way a bow would improve pick up is if the curvature of the bow shortened the bat length, but as it doesn't I don't see how it can. The bat is effectively a beam.

[Buzz]

I think the bow puts the weight above the hands faster with the pick up hence the "improved pick up" feel.

[procricket]

Pivot point is a big thing now look at the baseball style pick up ie Barstow and a few others allows a different variation 

[The Doctor]

I think the bow puts the weight above the hands faster with the pick up hence the "improved pick up" feel.

I think this one is an urban myth as the pick up is based on a linear distance of cog from pivot point for a given mass.

[Kulli]

Yes it does exist. A recent video we did of a GN500 weighed 2.10 and it felt just like a 2.10.

How do I know what a 2.10 bat feels like? 38 years of experience with branded cricket bats.

Would you back yourself guessing the weights of bats though?

[The Palmist]

When I am feeling good and strong  at the start of innings whatever bat I use feels like a 2.7 2.8, 90 minutes in to the game and even a 2.7 bat feels like 2.12

Physics element is true but it is still a human at the end of the day waving these bats around who will feel different at different  times in his innings.

Stick around  a weight  you know you are comfortable  with and never buy in to the heavy bat but picks up light as you may like it on the day but over time you will realise it is not your weight.

Or just hit the gym more often 

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[Seniorplayer]

I love a grumpy rant. Man after my own heart @Vitas Cricket

I would be very interested in opinions on how a bow can make a difference. I struggle to understand the science behind that but i think i agree from picking up different bats.

As we are aware Cricket bat blades can have varying degrees of curves each curve as its own advantages  as the more pronounced the bow the higher the centre of gravity the higher the centre of gravity the better the pickup.

[Jimmyg]

As we are aware Cricket bat blades can have varying degrees of curves each curve as its own advantages  as the more pronounced the bow the higher the centre of gravity the higher the centre of gravity the better the pickup.

How does a bow physical change the centre of gravity of a bat? People keep repeating that a more pronounced bow alters the CoG of a bat without explaining how it could do it. As The Doctor says, if the length of the bat is unaltered by the bow the CoG doesn't alter.

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[northernboy1987]

How does a bow physical change the centre of gravity of a bat? People keep repeating that a more pronounced bow alters the CoG of a bat without explaining how it could do it. As The Doctor says, if the length of the bat is unaltered by the bow the CoG doesn't alter.

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This is how I understand it too.

[Vitas Cricket]

Begs the question - how do you sell your bats then, both in store and online?

This discussion was never about how we sell bats. It was to address the mind numbing rubbish i see posted (and said away from the forum) fairly regularly.

As an example, in a sales context. A customer walked into the shop in the Summer (he is a good example of the type of person we see regularly) and declared he wanted a bat that weighed 2'10 as he has always used a 2'10, blah blah blah.

I lined 10 bats up that i knew all weighed 2'10 and asked him to tell me which 3 weighed 2'10. He couldn't decide, took him twenty minutes and eventually could only say for sure that there were 2 that he thought were 2'10. I then flipped the tables entirely and got 10 more bats out, all of which were either 2'8, 2'9, 2'11 or 2'12 and asked him to tell me which ones were not 2'10. He picked out 4 and was confident the rest were 2'10. One of which (a 2'11) he purchased.

Pickup/feel/balance/whatever we want to call it, is subjective. A bat is a weight, and indisputable number. My only point in the whole topic is that 'this bat is 2'10 but feels 2'8' is a ridiculous statement, because when that same person picks up a bat that actually weighs 2'8, they are likely to declare that it feels lighter, which does beg the question, what does the 2'10 feel like then?

Bats feel light to certain individuals, they feel heavy to certain individuals, and just sometimes that certain individual gets a bat that is just right, for them.

Whats even more hysterical is when i see people try to go into minute detail with the number that their bat picks up. 'This is 2'11 but feels more like 2'9.5' - WHAT?!

Online is another ball game entirely. Bats are generally sold online by their weight. I have noticed handles get skinnier and skinnier recently and to me this can only be to save weight in order to satisfy the online demand for bats at 2'8. Of course this comes at the detriment of pickup compared to the same bat at the same weight with a thicker handle.
If someone contacts us then i will of course give my opinion/knowledge on a certain bat and try to provide something that suits the customers needs. Our extremely low return rate when it comes to undamaged items is hopefully testament to doing a good job. We also have regular customers on and off the forum, who trust me entirely to get a bat that suits them, i've sourced enough bats for all of these chaps to know exactly what they want. One particular guy wants bats that feel absolutely horrible to me when i select them, bottom heavy logs of old crap is what they feel like, but he loves them.

[The Doctor]

This discussion was never about how we sell bats. It was to address the mind numbing rubbish i see posted (and said away from the forum) fairly regularly.

As an example, in a sales context. A customer walked into the shop in the Summer (he is a good example of the type of person we see regularly) and declared he wanted a bat that weighed 2'10 as he has always used a 2'10, blah blah blah.

I lined 10 bats up that i knew all weighed 2'10 and asked him to tell me which 3 weighed 2'10. He couldn't decide, took him twenty minutes and eventually could only say for sure that there were 2 that he thought were 2'10. I then flipped the tables entirely and got 10 more bats out, all of which were either 2'8, 2'9, 2'11 or 2'12 and asked him to tell me which ones were not 2'10. He picked out 4 and was confident the rest were 2'10. One of which (a 2'11) he purchased.

Pickup/feel/balance/whatever we want to call it, is subjective. A bat is a weight, and indisputable number. My only point in the whole topic is that 'this bat is 2'10 but feels 2'8' is a ridiculous statement, because when that same person picks up a bat that actually weighs 2'8, they are likely to declare that it feels lighter, which does beg the question, what does the 2'10 feel like then?

Bats feel light to certain individuals, they feel heavy to certain individuals, and just sometimes that certain individual gets a bat that is just right, for them.

Whats even more hysterical is when i see people try to go into minute detail with the number that their bat picks up. 'This is 2'11 but feels more like 2'9.5' - WHAT?!

Online is another ball game entirely. Bats are generally sold online by their weight. I have noticed handles get skinnier and skinnier recently and to me this can only be to save weight in order to satisfy the online demand for bats at 2'8. Of course this comes at the detriment of pickup compared to the same bat at the same weight with a thicker handle.
If someone contacts us then i will of course give my opinion/knowledge on a certain bat and try to provide something that suits the customers needs. Our extremely low return rate when it comes to undamaged items is hopefully testament to doing a good job. We also have regular customers on and off the forum, who trust me entirely to get a bat that suits them, i've sourced enough bats for all of these chaps to know exactly what they want. One particular guy wants bats that feel absolutely horrible to me when i select them, bottom heavy logs of old crap is what they feel like, but he loves them.

Seems to be a contradiction here, you are saying that  "Bat Weight/Pickup - 'This 2'10 feels like 2'8' - Tripe!" but you actually sell effectively on pick up in the store.

You are right however that pick up is currently subject and very much a personal thing. But it doesnt have to be like that - pick up can be and should be objective and definitive, so once you have your MOI number you can repeatably order the same "feel" of bat time and time again. It is not quite as simple as that but we have been working on this for the past 6 months, with the aim to provide this as a service.