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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #150 on: September 04, 2014, 02:01:48 PM »










Edward, tell us about the science behind the scooping on the Sigma? Exactly how does it help improve the performance and pick-up of the bat? Is there a method to your madness, there, or is it just for show?!

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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #151 on: September 04, 2014, 02:10:42 PM »

GM and New Balance are the only brands I'm aware of that don't let us hand-pick from them.  If all the others do, maybe it has some merit, Edward? And of course, you wouldn't need to accommodate just us! I remember one visit to the Slazenger warehouse a couple of years ago where myself, Asad and 3 or 4 other shops were all there picking bats at the same time.  I suggest GM consider something similar, possibly even put aside a "retailer open day" once a year for want of a more politically correct term...

I don't think just because you'd like to hand pick GM bats there going to change there ways just for you, unfortunately Paul.
If they have done it this way for such a long time, and everyone bar one retailer is happy with it this way and the stock they receive is good, then I don't think it's going to change. Every GM bat I've had has been top, and grading spot on.

New range looks superb this year, top work GM
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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #152 on: September 04, 2014, 02:17:08 PM »

Edward, tell us about the science behind the scooping on the Sigma? Exactly how does it help improve the performance and pick-up of the bat? Is there a method to your madness, there, or is it just for show?!
Did you (rather aggressively) ask your GN rep the same about the Scoop and Dynardrive ranges, or do you only do that to companies you appear to have a personal vendetta against??
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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #153 on: September 04, 2014, 02:17:32 PM »

My last comment suggested they change to benefit other shops as well, not just us.  Of course they shouldn't change their ways especially for you - I was never suggesting that they do that because it would be ridiculous.  I am pretty confident that most retailers would welcome the opportunity to hand-pick their GM bats, and despite receiving good bats from them in the past, would be happier to at least have the option, which like I said, could come in the form of an open day, which could be a nice day out (and maybe even a piss up after!) to boot...

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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #154 on: September 04, 2014, 02:19:24 PM »

Did you (rather aggressively) ask your GN rep the same about the Scoop and Dynardrive ranges, or do you only do that to companies you appear to have a personal vendetta against??

Yes, I did actually, and they gave me very convincing answers, some of which I admit went over my head as I'm not a scientist, but were still convincing! Hopefully GM can do the same here...

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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #155 on: September 04, 2014, 02:24:15 PM »

Edward, tell us about the science behind the scooping on the Sigma? Exactly how does it help improve the performance and pick-up of the bat? Is there a method to your madness, there, or is it just for show?!

I for one will certainly not be choosing Its Just Cricket for future purchases. You're coming across as agressive, petty and to be honest a bit of a c*ck. If you don't like how GM operate, the don't stock their goods. We're all enjoying the new, very well designed, GM range. If you have a problem with them, can't you take it up in private and let us pore over the beautifully co-ordinated new range?
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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #156 on: September 04, 2014, 02:25:42 PM »

I don't think just because you'd like to hand pick GM bats there going to change there ways just for you, unfortunately Paul.
If they have done it this way for such a long time, and everyone bar one retailer is happy with it this way and the stock they receive is good, then I don't think it's going to change. Every GM bat I've had has been top, and grading spot on.

New range looks superb this year, top work GM
As a retailer that have successfully stocked GM since the 1970's I can say that we are happy with the way in which GM grade their bats and ultimately with the bats that they send out to us. If there have been times when we may not have liked any of the bats sent, then simple phone call and the stock is replaced within days.

May I add, that present at the dinner last night were 3 generations of the Lowy family all of whom are actively involved in the business. This comes about only when you continue to excel in what you do!

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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #157 on: September 04, 2014, 02:27:15 PM »

Edward

Could i please enquire a couple of things please.

Which face / pressing option do most of your pro's prefer (F2, F4.5 or F7)

Do all the bats have the same quality handle fitted irrespective of grading.

Apologies if these have been asked before.

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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #158 on: September 04, 2014, 02:32:53 PM »

I for one will certainly not be choosing Its Just Cricket for future purchases. You're coming across as agressive, petty and to be honest a bit of a c*ck. If you don't like how GM operate, the don't stock their goods. We're all enjoying the new, very well designed, GM range. If you have a problem with them, can't you take it up in private and let us pore over the beautifully co-ordinated new range?

I am afraid I have to agree with you. Clearly Paul doesn't like how GM operate, that's fine and he doesn't have to do business with then. I am not sure how many bats GM sells and what percentage of GM bats IJC would sell if they stocked them,  but I am pretty sure that GM won't lose any sleep over it. Paul has made his views very clear, he does himself no favours by labouring the point.
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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #159 on: September 04, 2014, 02:34:26 PM »

Yes, I did actually, and they gave me very convincing answers, some of which I admit went over my head as I'm not a scientist, but were still convincing! Hopefully GM can do the same here...

If you know the answer why ask the question.
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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #160 on: September 04, 2014, 02:38:25 PM »

Edward I have an idea for a competition!!
If you have full GM gear already but the colours don't fully co-ordinate you could do a swap!
I'd swap my OLE pads for a pair of this years Original pads with the Siz6 colour scheme (just a suggestion of how it could work...  ;) )
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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #161 on: September 04, 2014, 02:39:17 PM »

Guys, I have been reading this post for a while and think that it is time for me to step in and comment a little bit. I think that I can add a slightly different perspective, having been a member of IJC for a while now, but also being a cricket customer, and GM fan for a while.

Firstly, let me make my position clear. I like the new GM range, I have been a fan of GM for a long time, I was sponsored by them a few seasons back, and I still use a Luna, which goes like a gun. Where it may seem Paul has a slight intrinsic criticism of GM, which personally I don't think he does, I want to assure everyone that I am a big fan of GM, and the 2015 range in particular looks great.

With regard to IJC and GM, I think above all it is a great shame for both parties that we cannot stock one of the biggest manufacturers of cricket kit in the world. Having been involved in many hand picking sessions myself, I know that it does not require great effort on the part of the company - at Gray Nics, Newbery, Salix etc the guys just give us a cup of tea and leave us to get on with it! Thus the benefits - a new account, with decent spending power, outweigh the negatives of having to provide us a single member of staff for a day. I believe in the benefits of hand picking - I think that is basic logic. It cannot be logically shown to be detrimental. Having two people look over and judge the best bats, both people being professionals with extensive knowledge, can only be better than one.

 As a small shop, we believe in our staff and our knowledge, and want to be able to passionately talk about every product on the shelf, and believe in them. The simple fact is, cricket bats are different, irrelevant of the grade. As manufacturers often tell us when bats break, willow is a natural material, and therefore it varies from every individual bat. Here at IJC, we like to pick what we think are the best bats for our customers, and this helps us have the confidence and belief in our products which we hope translates into our customers receiving the best of the best. If we are unable to pick these bats with our own hands, such as at GM, we cannot put our hallmark, our own seal of approval on them, like we can at Gray Nics for example. We may be looking for bats with very specific properties, in very specific weights, and hand picking allows us to do this. It does also allow us to find some "diamonds in the rough", which can then translate into massive savings for our customers - ie they are paying 5* prices for SPS quality. Hand picking is not meant as a slight on the staff of GM, it is merely meant as an extra layer of filtering to ensure that we have the best of the best in the shop. It is for our own, and our customers, guaranteed confidence in our products. As a customer, people trust in Paul and Neil and myself, having built up a relationship with us through Youtube, emails, phone calls etc, and therefore they trust us more than someone they have never spoken to, regardless of whether they might do a good job, as I'm sure every single one of the GM staff does. Thus, as a customer you would rather a bat which is hand picked by someone you know and trust, then someone you are just going on blind faith with.
 
I'm sure this wouldn't be the case, but as a small shop how would we know we are getting the best of the best - surely our spend on an account would not come close to some of the bigger retailers, and so the incentive to send them the best bats is much greater. Hand picking allows us to select what we feel are the best bats. As a customer, would you not like that extra layer of screening, ensuring that you get two professional, high quality opinions on your bats, knowing that it s therefore agreed upon as one of the best in that range? It is ridiculous to say that bats of the same grade are the same - it is natural that they will be ever so slightly different, and that is the benefit of hand selecting them.

As to it being unfair or it being a hassle. I personally think it is a bit of an insult that retailers cannot have thesame benefits as customers. Surely customers then come and pick the best bats in that range, and the retailers are left at a disadvantage? Why should that be? Further, any retailer who, given the opportunity to, chooses not to hand pick, is quite frankly being negligent to their customers. The ability to personally stand with a customer and talk them through why you chose this bat over a hundred other competing sticks is something which I find vital to successfully selling a bat.

In conclusion, I make a plea to Mr Lowy, allow retailers to hand pick. It is not a slight on your staff, it is merely a way of us showing our customers that we go the extra mile to ensure they get the best value for their money. After all, we are on the same side here, Edward, and IJC and GM having a good relationship is something which everyone wants to see.

Thanks for reading this long winded post,

Chris
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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #162 on: September 04, 2014, 02:59:22 PM »

Chrisbd - a much more eloquent response that I think/hope will pour some oil on the troubled waters of the IJC / GM relationship. I'm not sure it will make a huge difference, but you stated your case well and in an manner that won't alienate you to some of your potential customers or close the door to GM.
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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #163 on: September 04, 2014, 03:39:15 PM »

i like paul, hes looked after me well, and is a nice guy, so i shall say. please leave the posting in this thread to chris, hes doing a better job on the subject....


to chris, if your sponsored by gray nics? how do you get away with using a luna?




on the subject, ive just been looking at gm vs grays 2015.

as a sausage finger fan, grays has my buy there, and although i prefer the 808 pads from gm, i like my softs too match.

as for bats, gms bats have much classier stickers imo! and im so glad they have nothin as awful as the xrd range. they are attrotius, lol.
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Re: GM 2015
« Reply #164 on: September 04, 2014, 03:44:54 PM »

correct me if i am wrong paul/chris, but you dont hand select your CA or SF do you? you may in which case im wrong and apologise, but if you dont then what difference is it in comparison with not hand selecting GM bats?
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