Topic: KP (Read 25474 times)

jamielsn15 · « **Reply #45 on:** October 06, 2014, 06:35:12 AM »

I'm fine with him telling his side of the story and will most likely read the book, but take into account its one side. It's not gospel and forgive me if I'm very wary of him telling the truth with Piers Morgan as his Rottweiler...

I've heard on very good authority, from someone who's seen the fallout of KPs behaviour over the last couple of years post-textgate that the texts were nothing compared to some of the stuff that was going on. Stuff that was truly unforgivable. I've not heard details, but I have heard of the effect he had on some individuals within the team on a personal level.

I think the team's better of without him as the person, certainly not the player. Its a real shame that he hasn't done himself any favours since by becoming a (poor) T20 mercenary. I wish he'd knuckled down to four day cricket more to really embarrass the selectors and their shockingly-poor management of the situation. I get the impression that his high profile appearances at events and closer relationship with Piers Morgan is not the way to go if, as he said last week on twitter, he wants back in to the England team (though that comment elevates him to the position of martyr once the book comes out - its all a finely tuned PR exercise from him). We have to remember that professional sportsmen aren't simply robots who can go out and play on demand without fault. They get elevated to this superhero status when the reality is they suffer the same doubts, insecurities and personal issues that we do. Saying KP should be played and everyone else live with it is simply not an option. In my opinion.

If we're being critical of Paul Newman's dislike and biased writing, don't fall into the same trap of making 'facts' fit personal opinions. I don't think we will hear the whole truth from those directly involved (KP, ECB, Cook, Prior). I tend to view autobiographies as if they were a trial - can the claims be validated by more than the 'witness'? Are his sources credible? Opinions and situations like this make for explosive reading and book sales, but they are only one side of the story. Its not necessarily wholly accurate.

TangoWhiskey · « **Reply #46 on:** October 06, 2014, 08:40:06 AM »

Is the book out tomorrow or on Wednesday? I have it on Amazon preorder with Amazon Prime and it's saying I won't get the book until Thursday. There won't be any point getting it late, I'll have heard about all the juicy bits by then!

felix · « **Reply #47 on:** October 06, 2014, 11:19:20 AM »

Quote from: jamielsn15 on October 06, 2014, 06:35:12 AM

We have to remember that professional sportsmen aren't simply robots who can go out and play on demand without fault. They get elevated to this superhero status when the reality is they suffer the same doubts, insecurities and personal issues that we do. Saying KP should be played and everyone else live with it is simply not an option. In my opinion.

I don't have much sympathy for KP as a person, he often appears to be his own worst enemy. I go with the view that he's been on a gradual decline for a while however still merited his place in the England side when it all blew up. I think it would have been incredibly hard for him to have performed to a decent level this year given the character assassination he has suffered (rightly or wrongly), however much he'd played. He is clearly someone whose ego needs massaging and he'd have needed an incredibly thick skin not to have had his self-confidence massively affected by what's gone on and that must have affected his performance, maybe even terminally. Nobody wins out of this mess (except for the book's publisher I guess...)

iand123 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 06, 2014, 11:46:22 AM »

Is the book being serialized in a paper?

MJB3 · « **Reply #49 on:** October 06, 2014, 02:34:47 PM »

Quote from: iand123 on October 06, 2014, 05:11:41 AM

Few bits of interest but pretty much what I exoected. Hope the book goes on to elaborate as to who these "senior players" who told him things it backed his opinion are, somehow I suspect it won't

Through deduction, it can surely only be Bell & Trott?

tim2000s · « **Reply #50 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:23:05 PM »

I wonder how much involvement Piers Morgan had in this book. It feels a lot like a very long Daily Mirror story....

uknsaunders · « **Reply #51 on:** October 06, 2014, 04:14:50 PM »

I'm going to Kindle it Thursday.

Montys Beard · « **Reply #52 on:** October 07, 2014, 05:39:49 AM »

I'm by no means KP's biggest fan but from what I've read so far I can't help but think there's something in his claims, especially after seeing this:

"Chris Tremlett @ChrisTremlett33 � 10 hours ago
Glad @KP24 has finally been able to give his side of the story. People can now make an informed opinion of what went on in the dressing room"

If there was nothing in this why would Tremmers be writing something like this?

iand123 · « **Reply #53 on:** October 07, 2014, 05:48:03 AM »

Quote from: Montys Beard on October 07, 2014, 05:39:49 AM

I'm by no means KP's biggest fan but from what I've read so far I can't help but think there's something in his claims, especially after seeing this:

"Chris Tremlett @ChrisTremlett33 � 10 hours ago
Glad @KP24 has finally been able to give his side of the story. People can now make an informed opinion of what went on in the dressing room"

If there was nothing in this why would Tremmers be writing something like this?

hes always been in KP's camp, teammates at both Hampshire and Surrey. More importantly he isn't an England player anymore so will be free to speak his mind. Read somewhere that KP and carberry fell out at Sydney but not seen any mentions of that so far

Montys Beard · « **Reply #54 on:** October 07, 2014, 06:04:41 AM »

There's a few things on it, something along the lines of KP was questioning if Carbs was good enough (Personally I rate Carberry, thought he got a raw deal) whilst he was batting, and then exclaimed loudly to Bairstow across the balcony "Who else should we be looking at in county cricket"...

I know KP and Tremlett were mates but even coming and saying something like that is a pretty big deal, if there wasn't some truth in it I couldn't see a fellow professional stick his neck on the line...

tim2000s · « **Reply #55 on:** October 07, 2014, 07:38:28 AM »

Personally, I think this is the KP show and whatever is in the book will be pretty one sided. It should all be taken with a huge pinch of salt.

I don't believe for one minute that there wouldn't have been others who would have raised the issue of "bullying" in the England dressing room, and if it was such an issue, why wait till you've been away from the England camp for 8 months? Why not raise it at the time as an issue with your employer? Because that doesn't sell books and make you money, which we know is very important to KP.

I'm sure there will be some truth in there, but I'm also absolutely certain that it won't be the whole truth, so while it may be a very entertaining read, I think I'll reserve judgement until I've heard both sides of the story.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #56 on:** October 07, 2014, 07:59:24 AM »

Couple of bits I read in the telegraph were pretty lame. Stuff like apologising to the bowler when you drop a catch seemed to get right up KP's nose but 99% of club cricketers do it as second nature.

Neon Cricket · « **Reply #57 on:** October 07, 2014, 08:53:15 AM »

Quote from: uknsaunders on October 07, 2014, 07:59:24 AM

Couple of bits I read in the telegraph were pretty lame. Stuff like apologising to the bowler when you drop a catch seemed to get right up KP's nose but 99% of club cricketers do it as second nature.

I think it's the way they're demanding the apology in the changing room after the game, on this part I fully agree with KP - Forcing players to apologise to them as if they're demi-gods and never make their own mistakes is ridiculous (if this is indeed true of course), would be interesting to see what happens when all the bowlers get out for 0 - are they expected to get on their hands and knees and beg the batsman for forgiveness?? I doubt it...

tim2000s · « **Reply #58 on:** October 07, 2014, 09:06:44 AM »

[sarcasm]

If what we hear here is true, I'm actually with the bowlers. Over the last 12-18 months, the batting has been shoddy and awful and the bowlers have not had anything to bowl at, so they had every right to expect the fielders to step up and participate in the game fully, rather than wandering around in the field looking for someone who wants an autograph (surely not KP). It's understandable that the bowlers would spend a lot of time in most matches royally fed up with the batsmen who seemed unable to bat for the two days the opposition were managing. Yes, they should be apologising when they drop catches. They should be grovelling....

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tim2000s · « **Reply #59 on:** October 07, 2014, 09:24:11 AM »

Anyone listening to the interview on Radio 5 Live right now? As I'm at work, I can't, but I'll be downloading the podcast later for a listen on the way home.

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