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Re: KP
« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2014, 11:01:07 AM »

it all points to atrocious management from the ECB.

KP is going to lose friends from this, and he will care about this.

I do believe the bullying bit personally.

note he denies saying he called Strauss a doos and denies he said him or me about peter Moores. but I can also see how what he says can be written to sound differently.

it remains all very sad.

oh for a decent captain...
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Re: KP
« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2014, 11:29:35 AM »

I can believe there was/is an underhanded culture in the England dressing room, I am not however convinced about his allegations against Matt Prior, personally. Swann has come out and said that Prior "fought tooth and nail" to keep him, I also recall an interview with Michael Vaughn describing Prior as a nice lad etc, attacking one of your ex-colleagues publicly is a bit poor taste in my opinion.

The words that keeping coming back to me are; "It's not easy being me."

I wonder why that is Kev? I suspect it's very much a two way street.
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Re: KP
« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2014, 11:35:18 AM »

everything ive read on the KP reintegration was down to Prior and Cook persuading Strauss and Flower to have him back after the events of 2012

now Prior is the devil himself, hard to believe how it could turn round so quickly
I do believe there was some sort of 'clique' in that dressing room but you have to balance KP's views with the facts
England had their most successful period in living memory under the coaching of Flower

anyone on here who grew up supporting England thru the 80's knows just how bad we were
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Re: KP
« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2014, 11:38:00 AM »

It seems like it's probably all six of one, half a dozen of the other. Chances are the bowlers and Prior did take the mick out of people, and could be construed as bullying, however KP doesn't seem to be the sort to laugh at himself so would probably take 'banter' (Lord I hate that word) as a personal insult.

But also, if the majority of the the dressing room thinl you're a Gentleman Sausage, then chances are, you guessed it, you are a Gentleman Sausage!

Still, got it on pre-order and looking forward to reading it. Fear i may end up on KP's side, as i've always though Matt Prior came across as a bit smug, and to be honest, i don't like bowlers shouting at fielders either, and i'm not playing on international tv (well not all the time anyway  ;) )
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Re: KP
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Re: KP
« Reply #65 on: October 07, 2014, 01:13:49 PM »

I read Michael Vaughn's article and it echoes my sentiments about this situation. There is truth to KP's allegations against some of the team members but KP himself has made mistakes. I have a vague recollection of the Twitter account episode but did not know that the prank was this elaborate. I can see how something like this would adversely affect a player's  mindset.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/cricket/29517817
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Re: KP
« Reply #66 on: October 07, 2014, 01:18:30 PM »

I read Michael Vaughn's article and it echoes my sentiments about this situation. There is truth to KP's allegations against some of the team members but KP himself has made mistakes. I have a vague recollection of the Twitter account episode but did not know that the prank was this elaborate. I can see how something like this would adversely affect a player's  mindset.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/cricket/29517817


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Vaughan said he had encountered a similar situation in his early years at Yorkshire, where he would "hate" fielding because he was "scared" of making a mistake.


Lol, mirrors my feelings at times during the past few years. Very nearly declared myself unavailable for selection over it
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Re: KP
« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2014, 04:40:12 PM »

Some of the stuff he is saying happen in a lot of top teams. I am very sure that during the legendary Aussie teams (Borders, Waughs, Warne) eras that there would have been examples of "bullying" and "cliques". Can't say Id be very keen to go near Lillee if I had dropped a catch off him or Warne or McGrath for that matter. I don't think they would be forced to apologise but if you didn't id say you would have been told too by an older statesman of the team, at a time away from other team mates (As someone else said it is expected you apologise).
KP sounds like a spoiled, precious child with these comments. 18 months ago England were untouchable. They were playing great cricket and people were happy. Start losing and it makes these comments shine. Imagine if KP came out with this if england were number 1 in the world right now.
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Re: KP
« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2014, 05:23:14 PM »

KP dossier is out. Way to start WC prep.  :(
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Re: KP
« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2014, 05:50:37 PM »

At the book launch now pretty decent turnout. Lots of press, on one of the tables ear wigging.
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Re: KP
« Reply #70 on: October 07, 2014, 05:59:52 PM »

Looks like there is now an ECB leak coming out on the ashes tour
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Re: KP
« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2014, 06:05:47 PM »

What's the common denominator of KP's fall outs in South Africa, Notts, Hampshire, Surrey and England ?

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Re: KP
« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2014, 06:42:13 PM »

Ecb really are inept. KP has acted like a prat but their "leaks" make them look unprofessional. Worried about piers Morgan's tweets? Really? They really weren't focused on the cricket were they!
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Re: KP
« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2014, 07:12:01 PM »

love or hate kp ,  the way things are being handled by the ecb is laughable
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Re: KP
« Reply #74 on: October 07, 2014, 07:27:28 PM »

love or hate kp ,  the way things are being handled by the ecb is laughable

They are such a joke. They are a cricket board, responsible for cricket in an bride country but instead or preparing "internal due diligence" documents that include one of their players complimenting another player on his south African accent and that some idiot on Twitter was having a go at the captain. Beggars belief really. The couldn't even spell cooks name properly

Think a lot of what KP is saying is true but he's also a prize idiot for his role in all of this. The ECB appointed a new CEO today, he must be thinking what have I got myself into!
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