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Re: KP
« Reply #75 on: October 07, 2014, 07:37:20 PM »

here is the original dossier article before it was taken down.

if this dossier is a fake, I would live to see the original..

ESPNcricinfo is in possession of a legal document
that provides a clear insight into the ECB state of
mind as it contends with the fallout from the end
of Kevin Pietersen 's England career.
The existence of one or more Pietersen
documents has been a subject of contention since
Pietersen walked off the field in Sydney last
January for the last time in an England shirt. This
one covers the Ashes series and illustrates how
he has been cast as a serial offender whose
alleged behaviour undermined the authority of the
coach and captain.
Pietersen himself refers in his autobiography to
being alerted within days of the end of the Ashes
series to the existence of what he prefers to
dismiss as an "imaginary dossier".
This is not quite the dirty dossier the cricket
world hankers after. It was, however, drawn up to
assist the ECB legal team. It outlines the
breakdown in relationships between Pietersen and
the England team director, Andy Flower, which is
forthrightly described in the autobiography.
The ECB stated: "It is simply part of a privileged
legal document, produced by the ECB's lawyers
compiling information as part of the ECB's
internal due diligence ahead of the release of the
Kevin Pietersen book."
It is recorded that Pietersen "ranted" at Flower
after the Melbourne Test - a conversation he has
recorded in some detail in his autobiography. But
Pietersen has been less forthcoming about the
document's allegation that he described Alastair
Cook 's captaincy as "weak" and "tactically inept".
In that same heated meeting, Graeme Swann,
who has dismissed Pietersen's autobiography as
"a work of fiction", is allegedly described as "a
c***".
The document then solemnly observes that Flower
did not speak to Pietersen during the final Test in
Sydney or, indeed, for the rest of the tour.
The five-page document, marked STRICTLY
PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL, has reached
ESPNcricinfo independently and seeks to
assemble evidence of Pietersen's rebellious and
agitated state of mind as England careered to a
5-0 defeat in the Test series. There are sound
reasons to regard it as playing a genuine part in
the negotiations.
Elements of this document are now being leaked
into the public domain and are believed to be
only part of a much larger analysis of Pietersen's
allegedly recalcitrant behaviour during the final
years of his England career which seems to
counter his self-portrayal as a victimised player
bullied by an England clique.
The charge sheet against Pietersen is unlikely to
bring unity. Some will contend that the ECB had
assembled convincing reasons to end an
association with a player who had clearly become
a liability, whereas others will regard it as
essentially a petty victimisation of Pietersen
which fails to disguise a sorry failure of man
management.
As with the reaction to his autobiography, the
dividing lines are likely to remain as deep as
ever.
The document gives a flavour of the clash
between Flower's severe managerial regime and
Pietersen's more freewheeling approach to life
when it considers an incident several days before
the second Test in Adelaide.
"Upon arrival in Adelaide for the Second Test, AF
[Andy Flower] gave express instructions to players
not to stay out late and not to give the scandal-
voracious press any ammunition, which KP
immediately disobeyed by taking out two young
players drinking with him until late (an incident
which was front page news in the Adelaide press
the following day)."
With England 2-0 down before the Perth Test, the
dossier earnestly records that "an England team
physiotherapist" told Flower that if England lost
the Test his knee was "really going to be playing
up". This is presumably taken to be the language
of insubordination.
Further charges follow, not all of them
immediately seeming of import: criticism of
Michael Carberry's ability, a complimentary
comment about Gary Ballance's South African
accent and, a sin that has gained unusual
publicity, and a habit which he explains in his
book that he picked from his father, an
unappealing tendency after being dismissed
towards casually whistling.
Even Piers Morgan gets a mention. "It riled the
team and management that KP allowed Piers
Morgan to belittle AC [Alastair Cook] and the
team on social media. When asked by some of
his team mates to get Piers Morgan to stop
tweeting about the team, KP laughed at the
players and told them to get a thicker skin."
The report then refers to the severance of
Pietersen's contract with the observation that
"the team needs to move on in a different
direction with an emphasis on a strong, team-
orientated culture."
This story was updated at 1750 on October 7 to
clarify the nature of the document and 1850 with
the ECB statement
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Re: KP
« Reply #76 on: October 07, 2014, 07:47:17 PM »

This sort of thing has happened dozens of times in the past. Gatting, Gower, Botham, etc etc all had their England careers finished early due to similar issues. Its what happens in sport. Footballers are moved on all the time when they become disruptive or don't meet the team ethic. I don't see what the big deal is, other than the ECB could have handled it slightly better, but they didn't, move on, there will be another KP around the corner. 
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Re: KP
« Reply #77 on: October 07, 2014, 07:58:26 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04kg0b9

I'm not sure what to make of KP here, he's either genuine or deserves an oscar for this!
Sounds like he's genuine to me.
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Re: KP
« Reply #78 on: October 07, 2014, 07:59:24 PM »

This sort of thing has happened dozens of times in the past. Gatting, Gower, Botham, etc etc all had their England careers finished early due to similar issues. Its what happens in sport. Footballers are moved on all the time when they become disruptive or don't meet the team ethic. I don't see what the big deal is, other than the ECB could have handled it slightly better, but they didn't, move on, there will be another KP around the corner.

Slightly is a bit of an understatement!
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Re: KP
« Reply #79 on: October 07, 2014, 08:00:32 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04kg0b9

I'm not sure what to make of KP here, he's either genuine or deserves an oscar for this!
Sounds like he's genuine to me.


Thought he came across quite well until the question to aggers at the very end when he acted like a teenager
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Re: KP
« Reply #80 on: October 07, 2014, 08:03:14 PM »

Slightly is a bit of an understatement!

How would you have handled it ?
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Re: KP
« Reply #81 on: October 07, 2014, 08:06:20 PM »

Thought he came across quite well until the question to aggers at the very end when he acted like a teenager
I haven't got to the end yet so don't know about that.  :-[

In what I've listened to he's come across very well, but some of the things he's said seemed to be pre meditated and evasive e.g "not knowing" who he was messaging during text gate "I never keep texts".
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Re: KP
« Reply #82 on: October 07, 2014, 08:13:44 PM »

How would you have handled it ?

I wouldn't be leaking stuff to the press, I wouldn't have let downtown go on TMS and break a confidentiality agreement. I'd have paid KP up and let him say his piece sooner rather than overshadow a team for 9 months or so and then drop this bomb. More importantly I'd  remember that the ecb's are responsible for the game of cricket in England, not popularity or legal games with a player. They should be promoting the game and preventing damage to their and the games image in this country not causing more damage.

Every time they've tried to call KP and his entourage bluff and play them at their own game they've managed to mess it up royally. Either their PR/comma team are completely inept or they think this is a good way to portray an organisation in public
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Re: KP
« Reply #83 on: October 07, 2014, 08:16:11 PM »

I haven't got to the end yet so don't know about that.  :-[

In what I've listened to he's come across very well, but some of the things he's said seemed to be pre meditated and evasive e.g "not knowing" who he was messaging during text gate "I never keep texts".

Bbc 5 live tweeted a video of the end bit, find that and watch it, he doesn't come across well IMO. Agree on the texts thing, I woukdnt expect him to recall it verbatim but you'd know a bit more than the general theme of the conversation. I wish he'd also name these senior players he keeps referring to who backed him up.
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Re: KP
« Reply #84 on: October 07, 2014, 08:20:54 PM »

ECB are being made to look like fools. Doesn't suprise me as its a bunch of suits with no care for the game of cricket. Sad state of affairs and will harm the game in the uk. At a time when the numbers playing is dropping they need to be promoting the game in any way, not worrying about their jobs, pensions and pay packets and jobs for the boys.


Sad times. To people who just say move on. That's what we do when we sweep it under the carpet.. We need to hold people or organisations to account.. Not just let hem off with a nice pay out etc
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Re: KP
« Reply #85 on: October 07, 2014, 08:25:03 PM »

I don't know the in's and out's and like I said this happens all the time in every sport played. I don't see what the big deal is really. Sport is a game of opinions. Managers/Coaches live and die by those decisions so its down to them to make the decisions as they think fit for the team. Flower had earned the right to get rid of him if he thought that was best for the team.

Anyone with Piers Morgan in their corner immediately looses credibility in my opinion.
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Re: KP
« Reply #86 on: October 07, 2014, 08:25:45 PM »

Bbc 5 live tweeted a video of the end bit, find that and watch it, he doesn't come across well IMO. Agree on the texts thing, I woukdnt expect him to recall it verbatim but you'd know a bit more than the general theme of the conversation. I wish he'd also name these senior players he keeps referring to who backed him up.

Just got to the end of the interview, he had been great up to that point, then he acts like Kevin from Kevin & Perry rather than Kevin Peitersen! (Or maybe he reveals his true colours?)

I'm not sure if his interview was a well practiced PR campaign to promote his book, or if he truly was genuine in what he said. Either way there have been 2 outcomes, 1 that he seems very petulant when people ask questions he does not like/want to answer or make points that show him in a bad light, and 2 people are talking about him (which this thread coming alive again proves) which will in turn hopefully (for him) boost book sales.
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Re: KP
« Reply #87 on: October 07, 2014, 08:27:20 PM »

ECB are being made to look like fools. Doesn't suprise me as its a bunch of suits with no care for the game of cricket. Sad state of affairs and will harm the game in the uk. At a time when the numbers playing is dropping they need to be promoting the game in any way, not worrying about their jobs, pensions and pay packets and jobs for the boys.


Sad times. To people who just say move on. That's what we do when we sweep it under the carpet.. We need to hold people or organisations to account.. Not just let hem off with a nice pay out etc

Who's getting a pay out ?
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Re: KP
« Reply #88 on: October 07, 2014, 08:28:06 PM »

Except, pro cricketer,  the ecb isn't a charity,  it is very much like the rfu and while sport has become more professional,  the organisations running it don't seem to have.

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Re: KP
« Reply #89 on: October 07, 2014, 08:51:55 PM »


This sort of thing has happened dozens of times in the past. Gatting, Gower, Botham, etc etc all had their England careers finished early due to similar issues. Its what happens in sport. Footballers are moved on all the time when they become disruptive or don't meet the team ethic. I don't see what the big deal is, other than the ECB could have handled it slightly better, but they didn't, move on, there will be another KP around the corner.

What's the common denominator with the ECB's fall out with Gatting, Gower, Botham etc etc...

Every month is a new episode in the ECB showing themselves to be, as an organisation, more unprofessional, incompetant and damaging than any individual could ever be. Quite an achievement really.


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