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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #60 on: September 24, 2014, 03:47:21 PM »

So you honestly believe that any big company wouldn't bend the truth, however slightly, in order to sell more of their products to their own market?? (Talking about business in general, not just cricket)

And no one has mentioned Newbery outright lying, all I have suggested is that if this new bat outperforms all their other bats due to the type of pressing used then why didn't they use that method of pressing for all their other bats in the first place - a simple question which I'm sure has a simple answer!

If your views are correct, and they don't actually press them differently, what they've told me would be a lie, plain and simple, wouldn't it?! Not an instance of bending of the truth? This isn't just marketing, is it?! If it were, then how come they aren't promoting this claim actively themselves? So, I revert to my original question: what would be the point of lying to me about this?

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« Reply #61 on: September 24, 2014, 03:51:44 PM »

If your views are correct, and they don't actually press them differently, what they've told me would be a lie, plain and simple, wouldn't it?! Not an instance of bending of the truth? This isn't just marketing, is it?! If it were, then how come they aren't promoting this claim actively themselves? So, I revert to my original question: what would be the point of lying to me about this?

Because you have a customer base who are loyal to you, and trust your word on bat selection. If you believe this false truth, and tell your customers as a believer then they will buy buy buy. And newbery will get sales.
 
Why else would they lie but for me.

Not actually saying I believe they have lied, but if true, then why would anyone now buy there inferior bats? Regardless. Price tends to be on looks not performance with grading. Newbery are claiming something else here, and admitting all ther other bats are not the best.

After all, in cricket you want performance.
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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #62 on: September 24, 2014, 04:12:14 PM »

If your views are correct, and they don't actually press them differently, what they've told me would be a lie, plain and simple, wouldn't it?! Not an instance of bending of the truth? This isn't just marketing, is it?! If it were, then how come they aren't promoting this claim actively themselves? So, I revert to my original question: what would be the point of lying to me about this?

Not once have I said, or even suggested, that they don't press the kudos2 differently to the other bats, I totally believe that - You're totally missing the question I've asked many times now!

What I'm asking is why??? If this new 'pro' style of pressing gives a more responsive bat then why haven't they done this all along with all their blades and why should it cost more than normal pressing? I'm sure the process will take no difference in time so why charge more? Surely you would want to produce the best bat every time, not just for the pros...
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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2014, 04:14:00 PM »


Not actually saying I believe they have lied, but if true, then why would anyone now buy there inferior bats? Regardless. Price tends to be on looks not performance with grading. Newbery are claiming something else here, and admitting all ther other bats are not the best.


Agreed.
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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #64 on: September 24, 2014, 04:21:38 PM »

Not once have I said, or even suggested, that they don't press the kudos2 differently to the other bats, I totally believe that - You're totally missing the question I've asked many times now!

What I'm asking is why??? If this new 'pro' style of pressing gives a more responsive bat then why haven't they done this all along with all their blades and why should it cost more than normal pressing? I'm sure the process will take no difference in time so why charge more? Surely you would want to produce the best bat every time, not just for the pros...

You do realise that even if I knew the answer (which I still don't), I couldn't reveal it in public, right?! I am sorry I misread your question.

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« Reply #65 on: September 24, 2014, 04:26:18 PM »

Seems strange they are saying the kudos2 has better pick up and give better performance than the kudos that they are still selling. Its almost as if they are saying the original kudos is rubbish.
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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #66 on: September 24, 2014, 04:28:52 PM »

No need to apologise Paul, again not criticising IJC at all - personally I enjoy watching all your video reviews and like what you've done (No doubt I'll be down the shop at some point during the off season to stash up!!).

I'm just curious really, I'm sure you can imagine it must be frustrating for the smaller companies like H4L, Aldred, Hawk etc - they do all they can to produce the best bats day in day out, could they get away with a £100 price hike? Probably not

Totally appreciate you wouldn't be able to say anything, would rather Newbery explain it themselves instead of giving it the usual "only the top % of our willow makes these bats/pro grade" etc etc
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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2014, 04:29:18 PM »

Seems strange they are saying the kudos2 has better pick up and give better performance than the kudos that they are still selling. Its almost as if they are saying the original kudos is rubbish.

This probably sums up the whole point easiest! haha
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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2014, 05:53:30 PM »

Seems strange they are saying the kudos2 has better pick up and give better performance than the kudos that they are still selling. Its almost as if they are saying the original kudos is rubbish.

I can see what you mean, but I think "rubbish" is taking it a bit far.  Just because a certain bat is (apparently) better than another doesn't make the (apparently) inferior bat "rubbish"! To illustrate the point with an analogy: in the same way that I think Jimmy Anderson is a better bowler than Liam Plunkett, I don't think Plunkett is rubbish - both are quality players - worthy of the England cap, but I think most of us would agree who is the better bowler of the two...

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« Reply #69 on: September 24, 2014, 05:59:59 PM »

I can see what you mean, but I think "rubbish" is taking it a bit far.  Just because a certain bat is (apparently) better than another doesn't make the (apparently) inferior bat "rubbish"! To illustrate the point with an analogy: in the same way that I think Jimmy Anderson is a better bowler than Liam Plunkett, I don't think Plunkett is rubbish - both are quality players - worthy of the England cap, but I think most of us would agree who is the better bowler of the two...

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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2014, 07:02:07 PM »

I think the point is that I wouldn't have been happy if last season i had shelled out a shedload of cash on a Liam being told its the best only to find out that this season they'd released a Jimmy that was better in every way, when I'd been told Liam was the dogs.
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« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2014, 07:14:02 PM »

as a player not anywhere close to a newberry the price hike seems high and a bit uncalled for. However in their defence, they think it is worth the cash The proof will be in the pudding. If the Kudos 2 is their highest selling bat of 2015 then who cares what we think they will be laughing! It does seem a bit much when some of the small companies are charing 250 for players grade custom and newberry are charging a lot more for a pre designed shape.
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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2014, 07:31:34 PM »


Just dont ask gerry that question!

Or anyone from Yorkshire :-)

I think Paul hit the nail on the head about 3 pages ago that they will not stock bats that they don't think are worth it.

They will also find that if there are a lot of bats left over, they will have to review what they have done.

As a consumer, don't buy one if you think the cost is too high, yet they are at a similar price to mass produced bats like GM and Spartan and I bet these bats are as good as the larger brands.

There are lots of people who will buy them just because they can and want to.

Newbery has stated this bat, the Kudos2, is better performing than the previous versions. Until I have seen Paul's review (if he is doing one) I will wait to see if it is. I am sure they wouldn't say this unless there was confidence in the product.

Neon - who asked about how and why. Perhaps they have only just learnt about it, maybe they have a new guy who is pressing bats better than the last. Maybe they are trying it out on one bat before the others, so they can be sure of its performance over the other bats?
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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #73 on: September 24, 2014, 07:55:51 PM »

But surely within any industry, the top grade products will be different to the lower grade ones. Just the same as asking why companies don't put XRD or Pittards palms on every single one of their pads and gloves, or why (some companies!) make only their top bats in England and the rest in Asia. Simply, because they have to save the better equipment and materials (and pressing) for the top quality, and priced, range.

It is simple. If you want the best, then you have to pay for the best, otherwise if everything has these special features then there is no longer any point of having different pricing levels.

Now, not having seen the Kudos2 in the flesh, or having pinged them, I couldn't tell you if they are the best. However, clearly Newbery think they are, and have some kind of scientific reasoning for this (i.e. the different pressing technique), so they can justify this price rise.

Again, as many people have said, if this pressing proves to be better, why should Newbery put it on their other products? Doesn't it make sense to incentivise people to buy the best?

That's just my thoughts - and do not necessarily reflect those of IJC. I accept that the pressing may not be the best - I'm looking at this from a principal point of view rather then a practical one.
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Re: Newbery Visit on October 9th - time for more pre-orders! :-)
« Reply #74 on: September 25, 2014, 01:36:50 AM »

I don't think newbery has lied but I'll bet my left testicle that it doesn't take anymore time to press the kudos2 than any other one of there bats but they want to charge an extra100 smackeroonies. It's called greed.

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