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Cleft price differences
« on: October 22, 2014, 02:34:12 PM »

I was wondering if anyone knew roughly the current cost of a G1 cleft, in it's raw form supplied to the bat manufacturer in comparison to a G2, G3 etc.

Could anyone enlighten me  ;)

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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2014, 02:55:50 PM »

will be interesting to know but I doubt makers here will be willing to share that information.
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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2014, 02:58:46 PM »

will be interesting to know but I doubt makers here will be willing to share that information.

I never thought about that!
« Last Edit: October 22, 2014, 03:04:31 PM by jamesisapayne »
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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2014, 03:03:17 PM »

I never thought about that!

Next you will be asking them why do you charge X amount for a bat when the cleft only costs Y amount.

I am sure you can find that information but from an inside source.
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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2014, 03:09:25 PM »

Next you will be asking them why do you charge X amount for a bat when the cleft only costs Y amount.

I am sure you can find that information but from an inside source.


it is a huge difference, scarily large difference. still, we are dumb and keep paying it and they aren't really there for us after all.. there for the ££
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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2014, 03:16:07 PM »

Next you will be asking them why do you charge X amount for a bat when the cleft only costs Y amount.


Oooh, I think you've got me guvnor.



In all seriousness, if I'm paying my hard earned cash I think I'm well within my rights to ask the question.
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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2014, 03:17:47 PM »

Well each Cleft is effectively just a metre of Timber. Imagine if you went to your local B & Q and saw a metre of timber for even say £40, you'd have a heart attack!

Even timber like Brazillian Mahogany isn't more than £20 a metre, and that is a damn sight more difficult to get hold of than some Willow from Essex, especially once you factor in transport as well....
« Last Edit: October 22, 2014, 03:21:13 PM by Rob580 »
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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2014, 03:19:31 PM »


it is a huge difference, scarily large difference. still, we are dumb and keep paying it and they aren't really there for us after all.. there for the ££
Once you've had a go at making your own, you may appreciate why the cost of a cleft versus the cost of a bat is significantly different. Or you could simply buy a cleft and try batting with it...
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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2014, 03:22:37 PM »

And before anyone says anything I'm not looking to stir anything up or annoy people - that's not my intention.

I simply want to make an informed decision on what bat to buy (value for money-wise) and want to filter out the one's who are taking the michael.

On simple logic, I'm pretty sure the companies who are, are the one's who have lots of sponsorships to pay for.
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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2014, 03:24:53 PM »

Once you've had a go at making your own, you may appreciate why the cost of a cleft versus the cost of a bat is significantly different. Or you could simply buy a cleft and try batting with it...

if you have all the right kit it doesn't take that long to knock out a bat (taking out glue drying time, oil etc etc). If you don't have the right kit then I suspect it takes a lot longer and is much harder.

One day I'll find out, until then, I only know what I've seen and it didn't take long.
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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2014, 03:28:59 PM »

Well each Cleft is effectively just a metre of Timber. Imagine if you went to your local B & Q and saw a metre of timber for even say £40, you'd have a heart attack!

Even timber like Brazillian Mahogany isn't more than £20 a metre, and that is a damn sight more difficult to get hold of than some Willow from Essex, especially once you factor in transport as well....

like most woods,  you pay for not just the willow but the upkeep of the trees, the cutting, sawing, drying, storing etc.

as a bat you are also then paying for all that plus- machining time, pressing, glue, handles, twine etc etc. you are also paying for the time and skill of the maker and any other overheads they have. with the bigger companies you are also paying for sponsoring the top players.  its suprising how quickly some of these costs can add up, I think you may also be surprised on the cost of a cleft ( grade dependant)

for me, I would recommend going to a small independent bat maker. you can get a very similar product for a lot less than the big boys charge. you also can get a much better service and its easier to customise and get the bat you want

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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2014, 03:31:01 PM »

From what I've seen in the past if you were buying in bulk you'd be paying around £40 for a raw G1 cleft and lose perhaps just under a tenner for every grade down. That's very rough though and obviously I'm on in the industry therefore don't take what I say as fact.
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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2014, 03:31:19 PM »

if you have all the right kit it doesn't take that long to knock out a bat (taking out glue drying time, oil etc etc). If you don't have the right kit then I suspect it takes a lot longer and is much harder.

One day I'll find out, until then, I only know what I've seen and it didn't take long.

errm missing the bit about experience, skills etc. mate. You can get me all the tools in the world, I still wouldn't be able to produce anything vaguely similar to a bat. I know the difference is scarily huge and most are taking the mickey but let's give credit to the skills and experience where it is due.

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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2014, 03:31:40 PM »

I suspect even if you had the right kit it's something that would be learnt over years rather than knocking out-so to speak

Nowadays the way I choose a bat to buy with my own money is first ignore what is on the telly,unless by chance it's a small brand, H4L for example

try to get a grade 1 and then work out who the best person is to make it for me.
If I can get a Salix second hand I would,or a Warsop.I'm confident with those 2, but that's just my personal experience,others will be different :)
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Re: Cleft price differences
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2014, 03:34:59 PM »

I simply want to make an informed decision on what bat to buy (value for money-wise) and want to filter out the one's who are taking the michael.

sorry bud, I have to say this...do you check the price of cotton or fabric before you buy clothes, jeans etc. or the cost of raw leather before buying shoes.

Most are taking the mickey in my very personal opinion. Especially when it is not even G1 but G3 masked as Performance Grade etc.

Value for money, I think Red Ink has it spot on.
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