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[Sam]

He just dropped a sitter too....... Not a great time for hales.


Lumb going well. Why'd England drop him after his odi ton again?

Wasn't quite a sitter really. Head height ball on the boundary rope, can't really get your body behind it so have to take it side on and it just burst through his hands.

[Bats_Entertainment]

Shall we re-name this thread: "Why won't England pick Michael Lumb?"

[joeljonno]

I presume you believe there is no mental part of the cricket game, and it's a simple matter of if your good, you perform, and if you aren't you won't. Nothing else will effect you?


I suppose Finn was merely "not that good" when in last years ashes, and sent home, and nothing to do with mental frustration off the then coaching staff constantly changing his game?

Maybe you should do less presuming and supposing and provide something, anything of fact to back you point up rather than just being disparaging towards others.

Yes, the mental part of the game exists, but to blame England for poor shot selection.


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[jamielsn15]

If we're blaming 'England' for everything, let's give them credit when we won the T20 and were number one in the world and winning back to back ashes. Blame the current situation on capitalism, greed and british conservative values at the top of sport that lead to white, middle aged men with risk-averse opinions and decades old attitudes to how sport is always played. It's not always the people you want to blames fault. Look at the cause, not the symptom...

The general public mock the Rooney rule, while those who have experience say it can't be a bad thing. The more diversity and new ideas at committee level leads to broader ideas of how things should be run and picking more mavericks, like hales. Until then, we will always view players who.play with initiative as inconsistent and give them less leeway than a cook or ballance.

There are lots of younger, more diverse people trying to break down barriers. But getting the institutionalised execs to change is like getting turkeys to vote for Christmas...

[smilley792]

I personally believe there is something wrong in the england set up. I may well be wrong. And am probably on my own. But.

Trescothick
Trott
Yardy

3 guys who had reported mental breakdowns

Swann

Leading world off spinner retiring halfway through a series.

Finn
Anderson

Two world class bowlers. Turned to club level cubbies in pace and accuracy after having there actions worked upon(and the counties were the ones that bought them back to world level)

Kerrigan

A guy picked for a test that then bowled like he'd struggle to get in my 3rd team.


Then probably scraping the barrel but.

Hick
Ramprakash

2 blokes with county records that embarrass many internationals stars fc records. But always went backwards when with England. 




Does any other international set up have such a record?

[jamielsn15]

Now look at the constant in your examples. Ideology. Ingrained, embedded attitudes that haven't changed for decades because the structure of sports in this country is totally institutionalised.

Why did the fa never go to clough, sack venables at the first opportunity and will always go for the safe appointment? Risk averse conservative values. Same with the ecb.

[Gerry SA]

I personally believe there is something wrong in the england set up. I may well be wrong. And am probably on my own. But.

Trescothick
Trott
Yardy

3 guys who had reported mental breakdowns

Swann

Leading world off spinner retiring halfway through a series.

Finn
Anderson

Two world class bowlers. Turned to club level cubbies in pace and accuracy after having there actions worked upon(and the counties were the ones that bought them back to world level)

Kerrigan

A guy picked for a test that then bowled like he'd struggle to get in my 3rd team.


Then probably scraping the barrel but.

Hick
Ramprakash

2 blokes with county records that embarrass many internationals stars fc records. But always went backwards when with England. 




Does any other international set up have such a record?

Neither have ever been 'world class'. Both are around Morne Morkel's level eg nearly men

[Sam]

Neither have ever been 'world class'. Both are around Morne Morkel's level eg nearly men

Don't think that subjective opinion was the point he was trying to make though. Just how both had been introduced to the England set up only to, in Finns case for example become unpickable despite being in the squad.

[Gerry SA]

Don't think that subjective opinion was the point he was trying to make though. Just how both had been introduced to the England set up only to, in Finns case for example become unpickable despite being in the squad.

Finn's career getting destroyed was pretty tragic to be honest. 6ft7 + 150+kph, the only other bowler with those attributes in world cricket is Marchant de Lange. Finn could have been one of the greats.

[Buzz]

Hales on fire yesterday - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzavXs4z__Y (you can fast forward through the minute and a half of faff at the beginning!)

I don't care what anyone else says about the quality of the bowling etc, as far as I am concerned he should be in the Eng team in all forms.

Taylor also in the video - he has introduced a very odd move the front foot out of the way trigger movement which looks terrible - is this something that is new or introduced at the whim of some form of ECB madness?

[Manormanic]

Hales on fire yesterday - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzavXs4z__Y (you can fast forward through the minute and a half of faff at the beginning!)

I don't care what anyone else says about the quality of the bowling etc, as far as I am concerned he should be in the Eng team in all forms.

Taylor also in the video - he has introduced a very odd move the front foot out of the way trigger movement which looks terrible - is this something that is new or introduced at the whim of some form of ECB madness?

Bowling pretty reasonable but its his first score for ages - who would you drop to include him, bearing in mind Lyth and Pietersen are already available to come in?

[Manormanic]

I personally believe there is something wrong in the england set up. I may well be wrong. And am probably on my own. But.

Nope, not on your own there - in recent years the England Lions have had a load of players come back noticeably worse than they went away - Yorkshire fans still alment David Wainwright going as a quality all rounder and coming back a nervous wreck and could just as easily quote Richard DAwson, Adil Rashid, Adam Lyth (the first time round) and Mattie Wood.  Elsewhere, its noticeable that James Hildreth's returns drop markedly the SUmmer after he made the Lions party...

[Buzz]

Very happy to have Lyth and Hales opening the batting. Cook isn't scoring runs, Trott isn't going to work out against NZ or Aus.
KP needs to score runs and isn't an opener. I think KP's best chance of a game is if Bell gets injured - and he will have needed to score 3 or 4 more first class hundreds.

[Giraffe208]

I'm with Buzz on this one although I disagree with Pietersen. I don't think he's getting in no matter how heavily he scores to be honest. England need to rebuild for the future and utilise players in form and the younger ones they have. Of course it matters how the results go now but really, do they? Short term loss for long term gain. We need to be prepared to lose games to learn how to play positive cricket and keep up with the shift around the world. How many of the top teams in any format have players who are either negative / pedestrian in their batting? There are probably about as many combined from SA, Aus, NZ, India, as there are in Englands squad alone.

A shift is required and the longer it takes the further down the rankings we will slide.

[Seniorplayer]

I think it would be wrong to leave  Petersen out of the England team if he scoring runs in County cricket a team can then be built around  him if he scores runs in tests rather than continue with any player, Coach or member of the ECB who is constantly failing.