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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2014, 09:56:15 PM »

I am strongly of the opinion that you don't ban any type of bowling or batting. The stats indicate that the type of injury that he had is incredibly rare.

Leave the players to make the decision on the pitch.

Make sure that kids and adults are all coached and aware of the risks.

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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2014, 10:26:20 PM »

I agree with Tim - plus at club level very few people play on pitches hard enough to bowl a proper bouncer, most of the time it is a long hop.

The most important thing is coaching how to play the short ball.

as for helmets and helmet design, there will always be the fight between looks and protection - helmets can and will improve.

But this was very much a freak accident.
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2014, 10:54:14 PM »

Imo a tragic accident and I can't see any rules being changed as a result. Changes to helmet / other protection yes.

I'm sat watching American Football, I know full head helmets will be heavier but if they are manoeuvrable for AF then surely it can work in cricket. Or baseball style ear protection?


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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2014, 11:02:09 PM »



Hard to judge how far the protection would actually go without it being on someone but would a design like that not work in getting more protection?
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2014, 11:18:02 PM »

Going on your post from the other thread. I'm gonna presume you would ban them under the pretence you also ban bouncers?

I wouldn't ban helmets. I would ban bouncers in amateur cricket.
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2014, 11:30:32 PM »

99% of he time amateurs can't really bowl bouncers, more long hops. Pros are paid and know what they are doing, well paid for the minimum risk (compare it to he forces etc!!) . You can't stsrt banning bouncers, it's too batsmen friendly already. I'd question the logic in modem batsmen being expected to score off bouncers rather than getting out the way tbh.

Why must every ball be slogged to be entertaining ???
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2014, 11:42:49 PM »

I don't find slogging entertaining!

Grown men wearing helmets in 5th XI cricket looks ridiculous.
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2014, 12:08:17 AM »

Grown men wearing helmets in 5th XI cricket look ridiculous.

Only ridiculous thing is that you beleive that!
As a rule of thunb the bowling is more erratic in lower leagues, I wiuldnt go out without a lid playing 5th XI cricket as beamers aren't uncommon!
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2014, 12:16:14 AM »

I don't find slogging entertaining!

Grown men wearing helmets in 5th XI cricket look ridiculous.

Top edge to the teeth, stray throw from the outfield, beamer, ball flies off a length or some other strange occurance you never know what can happen!
Might seem ridiculous for 99% of the time but better safe than sorry!
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2014, 12:24:39 AM »

http://youtu.be/JcsCgsmsRLM



 ICC must react and alter rules for players safety,  i m not comfortable with players standing close to batsman for catching purpose.

However i blame modern day cricket also i-e T20 's where players just close eyes and whack, the way warner pulls the ball is an example, i dont know why bowling bouncer 1 for the over is allowed lol i mean seriously, i am afraid for modern day batsmen emerging to international scene, just watch this example above  where Cameron White wanted to whack a ball  :-[


My God. Watching that video makes me think Cameron White is lucky to be alive. 

As far as the bouncer debate goes. I do not believe the bouncer should be outlawed. It is a valid part of the game and should remain so. As we all know the bouncer is a weapon used to unsettle a batsman. To get him second guessing his footwork and thinking more about self preservation than technique. Knowing how to handle the short ball is a large part of what separates good batsmen from great ones.

While subjecting a opening batsman to few bumpers should rightly be looked at as no big deal. Bombing a tail ender or a batsman who cannot play such deliveries is not on in my opinion. Watching Monty take his eyes off the ball when facing Johnson in the last ashes series was cringe worthy in the extreme. The dangers of ball impact to the head and neck area have been demonstrated at its most extreme with the recent tragedy. With this in mind I feel umpires should be given even more authority to clamp down on the "roughing" up of less skilled batsmen by fast bowlers.

The same could apply to the amateur scene. Bumpers in amateur cricket rarely carry the same injury potential as those seen in the professional game. However on the occasion where short pitched bowling is clearly dangerous, due to the lack of skill level of the batsmen dealing with it, the umpire should have the authority to tell the bowlers to cut it out. Of course this will not be popular with fast bowlers who might enjoy roughing up the odd old fart on the weekend but at an amateur level we should be focused on fun. Everyone wants to enjoy the game and be able to go to work the next day. A bit of common sense from all around should be enough to find the right balance between good competition and safety.
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2014, 12:42:06 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Do9dJw30I

It's unbelievable to think that you can still see nonsense like this. Unbelievably dangerous.
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2014, 02:07:40 AM »

I think perhaps mandating that all cricketers wear helmets in club cricket is not a bad idea (I know some will disagree with this). Take the choice out of their hands. I know a long time ago I used to feel they were unnecessary (accompanied by some foolish bravado on my part as well), and that they were a pain in the backside. Getting hit changed that very quickly. Personally I always have a helmet on even when facing spinners. A ball even at 50 miles an hour can hurt or cause damage if it hits some areas of the body let alone at 80 miles or more. Make it sort of like a OH&S regulation perhaps.

In the near future I can see some repercussions. I agree the other posters that the bouncer should not be banned - it is part of the game and has been always. In the old days, there was a gentlemans agreement of sorts in international cricket that quicks did not bowl short at tail enders, as they did not have the ability to deal with them and it could lead to someone getting badly hurt. With all the protection these days, that went out the window since for the most part people felt no serious damage could happen (a few bruises aside or the odd fracture to the fingers, ribs perhaps, all of which would heal and have no long term impacts). For the most part this has been the case.

Even with no outlawing of the bouncer I can see fast bowlers now becoming reluctant to use it in the near future. Seeing quicks like Mitch Johnson having both top end and lower end batsmen hopping about with fear was something of a spectacle that many enjoyed (myself included) without a second thought that perhaps someone (more likely a tailender) might get hurt. Part and parcel of the game. The sight of an express bowler having the opposition running scared has always been one of the greatest contests in cricket and one that got the crowd going. There is something primal about that that has always excited crowds (cricket's equivalent of the roman gladiators in ancient times). More than anything else, facing up to someone quick is not just a test of skill or technique but a test of your will and courage to guts it out. I think that should always remain a part of the game.

However, I think in the near future at least that won't be the case anymore. I think any quick bowler will be at least a little hesitant to use the short ball particularly against lower end batsmen. Crowds may turn on the fast bowler instead of cheering them on now when they do so, which completely changes the dynamics of the game even without any official changes to the rules. I am sure some sort of normalcy will return in due course.

At club cricket, I think like some others have mentioned, umpires should step in an warn the bowler and ban them if it persists. Some people in my view at least seem do seem get a kick out of roughing batsmen up (and I don't mean as part of a strategy to get him out but rather with some intent to hurt), and someone could be hurt seriously. That sort of thing needs to be stopped. Its meant to be a bit of fun on the weekend, but people can certainly take it very seriously at times.

With regards to helmet protection, I think no matter what you do, there is always likely going to be some risk. For example in motor racing, deaths and serious injury still occur, and that is the nature of the beast regardless of how advanced the safety features have become these days. But compared say 20 years ago even the difference is amazing.

Similarly there is always the chance that a 90mph ball sneaks thorough some gap somewhere and causes a serious injury. But I am sure the risks will continue to decline as people look at improving safety further. 
 
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2014, 02:35:01 AM »

Tony Grieg used the "motorcycle helmet" decades ago. Why shouldn't we reinvestigate it?
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2014, 03:14:07 AM »

As a consumer, I see a need for a cricket batting helmet that will protect the lower part of the back of my head like a baseball helmet. I would like to see the helmet manufacturers react to this market need to and design a  product that will actually provide more comprehensive protection rather then a cute Kevlar covered cap with a grill.

For next season, I will investigate different options like using a baseball helmet for cricket.
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2014, 03:16:06 AM »

Top edge to the teeth, stray throw from the outfield, beamer, ball flies off a length or some other strange occurance you never know what can happen!
Might seem ridiculous for 99% of the time but better safe than sorry!

You could get hit a tile falling from a roof while out walking the dog. Why not just wear one 24/7?
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