Topic: Different grades / different Densities / different clefts (Read 16729 times)

The Doctor · « **Reply #15 on:** February 11, 2015, 05:55:27 PM »

Quote from: wayward_hayward on February 11, 2015, 05:30:41 PM

If the bat market was turned on its head and all bats were graded on performance, would it not effect the average cricketer as they are priced out of purchasing a great performing bat which could of been �150 when graded on looks?

Instead of him buying his ugly but good performing �150 bat a year, he has to settle with a �150 good looking but underperforming bat that may not perform as well as his ugly bat. In turn, the rich kid turns up with his �500 wand and already has a performance advantage over the �150 man.

Also a good point!

smilley792 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 11, 2015, 06:05:08 PM »

Quote from: The Doctor on February 11, 2015, 05:17:44 PM

We at b3 will only down grade on performance, so all of those lucky people - (I was speaking to Smiley about this today) who have lower grade bats that go like the stink, well done! So if we find a 3 stripe that doesnt play quite as well, we will downgrade it to a 2 or possible a 1 stripe.

Always nice to talk bats streaky, thanks for the chat and thanks for the coffee too. Top service.

What I take from the above statement is, a 3 stripe will always perform, so well worth the cost as it isn't a gamble, but for those lucky enough, there are gems in the lower ends to be found.

Hence why I have 2 butterflies, and a 1 stripe that fly, but non fly like the massive 3 stripe I dropped back off for a repair today.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #17 on:** February 11, 2015, 06:15:15 PM »

Not all club cricketers have 400-500 USDs to spend on a high performance bat. The most I have seen people spend is USD 350 and this is the younger group. 35+ age group is thinking twice about anything over USD 300.

There is a market for "high-end" gear and vanity is a powerful driver. I am not going to name names but there is a bat maker who makes a few dozen top of the line bats and charges USD 700 for those bats. They sell like hot cakes. But there are only "few dozen" a year made and are quite a status symbol which means only a "few dozen" or less people own them. Kinda like red Ferraris. There are also Honda enthusiasts out there and they are a BIGGER market.

Six Sixes Cricket · « **Reply #18 on:** February 11, 2015, 06:39:52 PM »

@The Doctor

How do you test your bats for performance?

GarrettJ · « **Reply #19 on:** February 11, 2015, 06:54:52 PM »

All that will happen is the price of a �450 will stay the same but you may get one that looks like a �90 and you get the mick taken out of you by those who are less informed

If anything won't these special bats be even more expensive as performance is guaranteed?

Also will refunds be available if the user thinks its a plank and has bought a �100 bat for �450 because scientifically it's a good performer?

I'm not convinced, setting yourself up for a big fall if these performance bats turn out to be dud. At least now it's a lottery and the individual properties of each willow can be blamed

The Doctor · « **Reply #20 on:** February 11, 2015, 07:40:54 PM »

Quote from: d7bow on February 11, 2015, 06:39:52 PM

@The Doctor

How do you test your bats for performance?

At the minute the old fashioned way - with a ball. If it goes through the roof, its a three stripe....

The Doctor · « **Reply #21 on:** February 11, 2015, 07:47:11 PM »

Quote from: GarrettJ on February 11, 2015, 06:54:52 PM

All that will happen is the price of a �450 will stay the same but you may get one that looks like a �90 and you get the mick taken out of you by those who are less informed

but surely the micky taking will stop when they keep on fetching the ball�.

If anything won't these special bats be even more expensive as performance is guaranteed?

let�s not forget it wouldn�t just be the ugly ducklings that will have performance guaranteed, also there would be downgrading on performance also, so you�d get some beautiful looking bats in the 1 stripe range

Also will refunds be available if the user thinks its a plank and has bought a �100 bat for �450 because scientifically it's a good performer?
Absolutely, we would put our money where our mouth is.

I'm not convinced, setting yourself up for a big fall if these performance bats turn out to be dud. At least now it's a lottery and the individual properties of each willow can be blamed

The idea behind it would be that you remove that unpredictability that using a natural product brings.

This is just an idea at this stage, and just really using this as a market research platform to see how the �idea� would be received. I think it�s safe to say that the jury is out at the minute�.

Mattsky · « **Reply #22 on:** February 11, 2015, 08:48:46 PM »

Interesting idea Streaky.

A performance/aesthetic index model could satisfy everyone:

1) Those who aren't interested in looks but are purely performance focused can pay less for an 'ugly' bat with great ping
2) Those who just want a lovely looking blade but aren't really bothered about performance too much can pay the same low price as punter 1
3) Those who want the best of both can pay a premium for it
4) Those who want looks balanced with decent performance can pay a mid-range price

That way, your �150 batsman won't be at a performance disadvantage to your �400 man - it's just that his bat won't look as nice.

Vitas Cricket · « **Reply #23 on:** February 11, 2015, 09:19:26 PM »

Quote from: Mattsky on February 11, 2015, 08:48:46 PM

That way, your �150 batsman won't be at a performance disadvantage to your �400 man - it's just that his bat won't look as nice.

Which is pretty much how it works already, aside from buying blind on the internet of course.

Boondougal · « **Reply #24 on:** February 11, 2015, 10:12:42 PM »

Any predicable industry accepted way of measuring performance would just drive up the average price. It would legitimately allow a supplier to charge more for those ugly bats that perform. Pretty bats that don't will command less. The average will go up though as I suspect currently "most" expensive bats preform anyway the lost value for suppliers is in the many many ugly bats that perform.... You know as a supplier they perform but it's hard to charge the price they could command when looks are the main driver.

Don't get me wrong. I'm only interested in performance so assuming the method was robust I wouldn't mind paying a premium on an ugly stick to ensure ping. Likewise I would hate to spend 4/500 quid on a pretty stick for it to turn out to be a plank.

Boondougal · « **Reply #25 on:** February 11, 2015, 10:14:23 PM »

At the moment Any supplier that finds a way to index performance would have a great market advantage.

Blank Bats · « **Reply #26 on:** February 11, 2015, 11:31:17 PM »

Quick question Sir.

How would you take account of the fact that bats mature (improve) with use at different rates . Some slow starters develop, into exceptional bats.

Mattsky · « **Reply #27 on:** February 12, 2015, 07:54:13 AM »

I'm guessing that those bats that ping from the word go will also fetch a higher price than those that might (or might not) open up later on. So in theory, you could get yourself a very pretty stick that doesn't immediately ping for a low price, but turns out to be a cannon midway through the season. Or you could end up with a nice looking plank.

procricket · « **Reply #28 on:** February 12, 2015, 08:53:16 AM »

I think so many of you are missing the point.

What I think trying to be said is this

Research has been done on various grain structure and performance and there are patterns in terms of performance.

Now yes wood is a natural product with natural variation but not as much as you would have though.

Now what where saying is with out "Ready Press" system we can get most bats performing better from the off because quite a lot follow a scientific pattern and the fact we press every cleft differently we can almost produce a "optimum Press".

Have you ever wondered why some people aware by 6-10 grains because most people set up there press that way because it's the common denominator.

This is all work in progress but what where trying to sort is a real way of grading performance because there too many variables.

Mattsky · « **Reply #29 on:** February 12, 2015, 10:28:27 AM »

Crivens. This has gone right over my head...

Have you ever wondered why some people aware by 6-10 grains because most people set up there press that way because it's the common denominator.

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