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[Manormanic]

Agree on workloads. Would you prioritise Tests? ODI's ? T20's?   So if Buttler/Root for arguements sake are going to play all forms.. they won't survive long term due ot burn out.. What do we put first? Personally, tests. That's where the wages and ECB money should be focused to encourage players to be proper players but others Im sure disagree.

That has to be a case by case basis - for Root I would tend to prioritise tests - his batting is more naturally suited to that format and he has clearly been lined up to be a future captain of the long format side.  Buttler is a harder call because I don't think he has yet evidenced that he is as great of a fit for Test cricket as he is for the shorter formats - for the time being I'd keep him in both but in the medium term it may be that there are better bets to at least rotate the test job.

As for overall objectives, Test cricket is the number one, but by splitting the sides you do in effect give them all equal priority.

[Manormanic]

Bit harsh on Broad, currently 28, to end his ODI career now when he will only be 32 at the next world cup. Then again he's been rubbish for a long time in ODI cricket, so we can drop him on form anyway 

He is indeed struggling - but I would argue that its less harsh given that he is an old 28 in terms of the injuries he has had and the miles on the clock.

[tate035]

There is a balance to be had though. Part of the reason test players are used for ODI cricket is because they can play at that level. Some players who do well at County level simply aren't good enough to play international cricket. Using the 90s for examples - Chris Adams, John Morris - both big county players but came up short internationally for whatever reason. The problem with throwing in lots of players without test credentials is you end losing alot (which we do anyway) and the revolving door issue, which isn't great for morale. I doubt Wood/Willey are ODI quality bowlers but they can't be any worse than Gurney. It's just a case of how you blend the team together over time.

I agree there has to be a balance. However because of the way our younger stars have been thrown in and made to play both formats, Root, Balance, Bopara (when younger) Stokes, Taylor, Finn etc etc at an early stage in their development,  all have failed at sometime. Surely if they show potential in the four day game then let them play in.the test sides for a few years and leave one day games to those who excel at it. With the technology  available today to many of our young players have been found out to have certain flaws and therefore a period of uncertainty and poor performances follow. We have a large pool of players that if coached correctly can specialise in one particular format (exceptions are Peiterson). For the last 10 years England's selectors have tried to fit the same 16 players each year into all 3 formats, when in.truth probably only a 3rd of them could play all 3...,

[SLC]

Buttler is being completely mis used at the moment. We are absolutely desperate for people who can svore quickly, and he is the olayer who finds this easiest, therefore we have to maximise what we get out of him

Yes he can score 30 off 15 better than anyone else, but because the rest are so useless thats not enough. He should bat at 4 or 5 where he has time to score 70 plus at a strikerate of over 100. Unlike all the oothers, his natural game will get about 6 an over before any particular effort in acceleration.

[SLC]

Oh and theres also another issue - yes we obviously dont have the players in the side at the moment to score 350, but today we were only chasing 270. Today was just incompetence.

Why is it, despite scoring so slowly, all the batsmen still seem to get out so easily?

[ProCricketer1982]

Buttler is being completely mis used at the moment. We are absolutely desperate for people who can svore quickly, and he is the olayer who finds this easiest, therefore we have to maximise what we get out of him

Yes he can score 30 off 15 better than anyone else, but because the rest are so useless thats not enough. He should bat at 4 or 5 where he has time to score 70 plus at a strikerate of over 100. Unlike all the oothers, his natural game will get about 6 an over before any particular effort in acceleration.

if you put him in too early he'll nick off or get bowled through teh gate regularly as he can't play the swinging/seaming ball. Did you see him play and miss at balls today that were just outside off, decent length and moving? He is good at what he does but lets' not think he's the saviour

[SLC]

He's perfectly capable of coming in at say 30 overs in, and at least this way, when he does come off he'll have time to actually impact the game, instead of just putting the icing on a rotten cake.

[arsenal123]

Think thats the general point though.  Swing with the two new balls stops after 15 overs-ish in one day cricket.  The ball is still hard and flies off the bat, give him a chance to go.

I'm pretty sure DeVilliers could hit 30 off 15 at the end of each innings.  Just because he might be good at that doesn't mean thats all that he should be doing.  We are talking about a young English player with a list A average of 45 with a SR of 120...

[ProCricketer1982]

Think thats the general point though.  Swing with the two new balls stops after 15 overs-ish in one day cricket.  The ball is still hard and flies off the bat, give him a chance to go.

I'm pretty sure DeVilliers could hit 30 off 15 at the end of each innings.  Just because he might be good at that doesn't mean thats all that he should be doing.  We are talking about a young English player with a list A average of 45 with a SR of 120...

you are comparing AB who is an accomplished test player to Buttler. AB opened the batting in test for christs sake. Ok, so you say the ball won't moved at over 30, umm, did you see him get beaten outside off stump post 30th over, roots dismissal etc?? it nipped away from them. I'm not saying he can't do it, I'm not saying keep him for a slog at teh end but it's too easy to say 'get himin early' then end up watching him fail regularly and then his confidence will be shot

[SLC]

An apparently word for word quote from Moores "we thought 275 was chasable. But we'll have to check the data"

[uknsaunders]

An apparently word for word quote from Moores "we thought 275 was chasable. But we'll have to check the data"

if that doesn't get him fired then nothing will!

[CrickFreak]

Not sure if a complete overhaul is required. Bell, Anderson, etc are some seasoned international who will easily find a place in any team. There are some who need a relook like Balance (utter rubbish number 3).  England needs time. It does not look like a clos group of players and this constant change is just going to do more damage.  Look at dhawan, maxwell, guptill etc, they have failed consistently in past but the board have persisted with them and they are delivering. Find the talent and nurture them should be the plan going forward.

[SLC]

Although today also provided yet more evidence of Bell being a serial loser in pressure situations: got a nice 50, just needed to bat normally, screwed it up.

[ppccopener]

An apparently word for word quote from Moores "we thought 275 was chasable. But we'll have to check the data"

unbelievable. truly we are in worse trouble than we thought. we do not have a clue-sack every analyst in sight

[arsenal123]

you are comparing AB who is an accomplished test player to Buttler. AB opened the batting in test for christs sake. Ok, so you say the ball won't moved at over 30, umm, did you see him get beaten outside off stump post 30th over, roots dismissal etc?? it nipped away from them. I'm not saying he can't do it, I'm not saying keep him for a slog at teh end but it's too easy to say 'get himin early' then end up watching him fail regularly and then his confidence will be shot

I get that, absolutely.  I'm not saying about batting him 3 though, I'm saying 5.  No point in wasting arguably the only player who would get into most sides down at number 7.  He's a batsman, hes not a tailender who can't play a swinging ball.  Besides which, there is no reason someone like Stokes/Billings couldn't do his current job in the side batting at 6/7?

Something needs to change.