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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2015, 02:18:48 PM »

Obviously lose Moores and particularly Saker, like the suggestion of Nixon to bring a bit more attitude in. Need a mentor for bowlers rather than a coach I think. Left field suggestion of can we please get Jeremy Snape involved again? Excellent cricket thinker and proven cricket psychologist, which we could do with a bit of.

Team-wise:
1 Roy
2 Hales
3 Root
4 Taylor
5 Stokes
6 Buttler
7 Ali (or controversial alternative Samit Patel?)
8 Woakes
9 Jordan/Wood
10 Topley/Mills
11 Parry

Got to get a left arm seamer in there for limited overs stuff, Topley's stats much better or Mills and just tell him to bowl as quick as possible (worth a look for sure - he'd have been in or around their team for a couple of years already if he was an Aussie). Alternatively (braces for slating) give Dernbach a go again as a specialist death bowler. Not sure I rate Jordan but he has a bit about him so give him a run in the side and see. Broad kept around to be played only when fit and bowling fast.

Vince/Billings/Rashid and the non-first choice seamers to be given regular games when possible to build depth.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2015, 02:38:54 PM »

There are some who need a relook like Balance (utter rubbish number 3). 

Bit harsh - he would have done better had he played any cricket before the tournament started, which is further evidence of bad planning from Moores. 
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2015, 02:40:21 PM »

Obviously lose Moores and particularly Saker, like the suggestion of Nixon to bring a bit more attitude in. Need a mentor for bowlers rather than a coach I think. Left field suggestion of can we please Got to get a left arm seamer in there for limited overs stuff, Topley's stats much better or Mills and just tell him to bowl as quick as possible (worth a look for sure - he'd have been in or around their team for a couple of years already if he was an Aussie). Alternatively (braces for slating) give Dernbach a go again as a specialist death bowler. Not sure I rate Jordan but he has a bit about him so give him a run in the side and see. Broad kept around to be played only when fit and bowling fast.
Agreed a left armer would be good, though for me Footitt or Willey would be the best bets.  No way Dernbach should ever be allowed back into the set up though.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2015, 02:50:37 PM »

They just aren't good enough in any department. Couldn't defend 300-odd, let Bangladesh score 50 runs too many for a jittery batting line up.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2015, 02:52:01 PM »

Funny that everyone is suddenly a fan of James Taylor.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2015, 03:02:51 PM »

I always have been.  He holds a List A average of 51 at a SR of 83 with 12 hundreds in 115 innings.  Since he came back into the side he is doing well and should have had a couple of hundreds already.  He has shown something and is generally a big match player too.  Lastly, I think he has some of the best match awareness in playing situations that I've seen in England.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2015, 03:16:45 PM »

The root of England's issues this world cup has been down to the senior players not firing properly. Morgan is in awful nick, as is Broad, Anderson's probably bowled 10-15 good overs and Bell's played to his stereotype to an uncanny degree. The other players haven't exactly done well, but you would expect the 4 players mentioned above not only to be getting a lot of our runs and wickets, but also to be leading the team and guiding younger players in tricky situations. They've done none of these things.

Having said that, mindlessly culling them is completely pointless, and breeds a bad atmosphere with everyone feeling like their career could be stopped at any point if someone higher up gives the call. All 4 of these players are top class on their day, but performances have been steadily deteriorating over the last 2-3 years. I'd leave them out of the tour to the west indies in April and get them to join up with their counties for a while but certainly not just forget about them. We need to make it clear that they're not going to be frozen out, and are being left out simply because their form is poor. If they don't improve then we've blooded some youngsters for the future, if they do find some form then we've got a solid core once again.

English cricket is in a dire situation at the moment but snap decisions based on one unexpected loss and a few defeats to very good teams will not solve anything.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2015, 03:48:06 PM »

As someone mentioned, the problem is with the way the English players approach the limited overs game. Their approach is outdated.  This has come about beacuse of the board's negative attitude towards limited overs cricket. The board needs to embrace the change and try to find a balance. They need to learn from Australia and South Africa who have the same team performing well in Tests and in Limited overs cricket.

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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2015, 03:58:31 PM »

All 4 of these players are top class on their day, but performances have been steadily deteriorating over the last 2-3 years.

exactly, and yet they draw MASSIVE wages or poorer and poorer performances. This is the failing of the Central Contracts, once they are on the gravy train they get greedy, lazy and do not seem to have that same 'fire' in them. Time to cut out the easy money and pay them by performances only. Play well, get money.. play badly or don't get picked.. no money.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2015, 03:59:47 PM »

If you look at the packed schedule it lends itself perfectly to a seperate ODI squad and setup:-

April - Windies tour (test only)
May/June - NZ test followed by ODI/T20
July-Sept - Aus test followed by ODI/T20
Oct/Nov - Pakistan away test followed by ODI/T20
Dec-Feb - SA away test followed by ODI/T20
March/April - ICC T20
May onwards - Sri lanka / Pakistan etc


Nobody is going to be able to cope playing all tests and ODI in that period. Makes sense to run two separate teams and two sets of management. Leave Moores, Broad, Anderson, Bell and co to the test matches with a long rest between series and get a new setup in for the ODI squad. Might be contradicting my previous posts but this schedule does scream of two entirely different squads of players being required.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2015, 04:02:31 PM »

Very surprised some players like Bell being defended on here. Yes he looks a class act, but 4 hundreds in 160 ODI's says not good enough. Our top players have not stood up and led the team. Also, saying well players from the 90's like Chris Adams failed at test level. Yes but he would have been a good ODI player. If Matthew Maynard was about today he'd be a star in any other country, but still wouldn't get in the England side as is technique wasn't correct enough! Moores said they though England might struggle against the Bangladesh spinners, yet Tredwell not selected!  He just hasn't got a clue. He has to go, but we'll hold on and give him another chance. We will lose the Ashes this summer and he'll go then. So save us all heartace of watching the Aussies thrash us and act now and build a better team with a competent manager.

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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #56 on: March 09, 2015, 04:13:29 PM »

Agree on Chris Adams - playing for an unfashionable county didn't help either.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #57 on: March 09, 2015, 04:25:10 PM »

I always have been.  He holds a List A average of 51 at a SR of 83 with 12 hundreds in 115 innings.  Since he came back into the side he is doing well and should have had a couple of hundreds already.  He has shown something and is generally a big match player too.  Lastly, I think he has some of the best match awareness in playing situations that I've seen in England.

But aren't some of his new fans the very same people who wouldn't hear for one minute that King Twitter might possibly be a disruptive influence in the England camp?

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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #58 on: March 09, 2015, 04:51:02 PM »

But aren't some of his new fans the very same people who wouldn't hear for one minute that King Twitter might possibly be a disruptive influence in the England camp?

Absolutely.  I can't speak for others but I am a big fan.  Dear old Piers just plays on whatever rhetoric beefs up his profile and gets him soundbites.  Its amazing that any story about Arsenal or England cricket ends up with a Piers Morgan quote next to it for no apparent reason.

He has a real temperament and can properly pace an innings.  Milks the ball very well (drops and runs well) and bats well with Root when they're both stealing singles.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #59 on: March 09, 2015, 05:03:27 PM »

1.Hales
2.Roy
3. Taylor
4. Root (C)
5. Buttler (W)
6. Billings
7. Bopara
8. Stokes
9. Woakes
10.Finn/Wood
11. Tredwell
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