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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #75 on: March 09, 2015, 08:20:38 PM »

I listened to Moores interview after the match and he's just a total muppet! He said we had an inexperienced team. Well that's his fault, Hales has hardly played a game in the last 6 months when he should have played every one. He also hasn't picked 2 of his most experienced players all tournament in Bopara and Tredwell. He said that we had lost our regular no.3 in Trott, but this has been the case for sometime. So they needed to pick a replacement and stick with him, rather than kick him out in the first game. He then said we didn't have a left arm fast or spin bowler. Well why didn't he insist on one in his squad rather that 5 medium/fast bowlers. Also if he had a left arm spinner he wouldn't have picked him anyway as our plan was to win with pace. If he keeps his job I'll be cancelling my Sky subscription for this summers Ashes series.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #76 on: March 09, 2015, 08:23:30 PM »

I guess Australia is the only test nation who went through transition period without any hiccups like this....India went through this, Srilanka would be after this world cup and Pakistan is still going through this. I guess England would be find for the next world cup.
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« Reply #77 on: March 09, 2015, 08:40:34 PM »

Start with the administration who've been more worried about profits than performances for too long.

I think Moores is similar to what I used to say about Wenger at arsenal. Either the coach needs to change or we need to change the coach (rather annoyingly neither happened at arsenal).

Then I think they need to start taking ODI cricket seriously. I heard Moores say after the game they'd lost some senior players (trott being mentioned) and that they had tried to blood some youngsters. I found the youngsters a bit odd as hales has been in the ODI team since the end of the summer and Taylor since the tour of Sri lanka properly. With all the build up and planning they had they didn't get players with the ability to play a different brand of cricket than we've always played into the side early enough to get some real experience into the side.

Going forward would like to see people picked on their ODI ability/potential and not by hat they in test cricket. Start taking ODI's seriously and not rest people who should be playing in the side unless absolutely necessary. Get some youngsters in the team and back them, not out them in the team move them around the batting order every game or so, destroy their confidence and then drop them.

The bowling worries me as we don't have a spinner to cause real problems and our pace attack looks to be struggling. Anderson should concentrate on test cricket (be amazed if this isn't announced in the comings few days)
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #78 on: March 09, 2015, 09:07:39 PM »

This made me chuckle

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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #79 on: March 09, 2015, 09:47:32 PM »

If he keeps his job I'll be cancelling my Sky subscription for this summers Ashes series.

Sky probably has a lot to answer for. Cancel it anyway?
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #80 on: March 09, 2015, 09:49:48 PM »

Start with the administration who've been more worried about profits than performances for too long.

I think Moores is similar to what I used to say about Wenger at arsenal. Either the coach needs to change or we need to change the coach (rather annoyingly neither happened at arsenal).

Then I think they need to start taking ODI cricket seriously. I heard Moores say after the game they'd lost some senior players (trott being mentioned) and that they had tried to blood some youngsters. I found the youngsters a bit odd as hales has been in the ODI team since the end of the summer and Taylor since the tour of Sri lanka properly. With all the build up and planning they had they didn't get players with the ability to play a different brand of cricket than we've always played into the side early enough to get some real experience into the side.

Going forward would like to see people picked on their ODI ability/potential and not by hat they in test cricket. Start taking ODI's seriously and not rest people who should be playing in the side unless absolutely necessary. Get some youngsters in the team and back them, not out them in the team move them around the batting order every game or so, destroy their confidence and then drop them.

The bowling worries me as we don't have a spinner to cause real problems and our pace attack looks to be struggling. Anderson should concentrate on test cricket (be amazed if this isn't announced in the comings few days)

An excellent post. Thank-you!
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #81 on: March 09, 2015, 09:58:15 PM »

It's been said before but Moores has no international experience to fall back on,  that's why he has to rely on stats.
That's why KP didn't respect him. This is what happens when you pick a bargain basement coach from the old boys club. Ecb didn't want to pay for a foreign coach with international experience. Someone like moody would have been perfect.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #82 on: March 09, 2015, 11:20:13 PM »

Not sure if a complete overhaul is required. Bell, Anderson, etc are some seasoned international who will easily find a place in any team.
If you believe that I fear for your sanity...

Bell wouldn't get into India(World Champs), Australia, New Zealand or South Africa's reserve ODI sides. He's incredibly overrated and one of the main reasons England are struggling.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #83 on: March 09, 2015, 11:58:31 PM »


If you believe that I fear for your sanity...

Bell wouldn't get into India(World Champs), Australia, New Zealand or South Africa's reserve ODI sides. He's incredibly overrated and one of the main reasons England are struggling.

Bell not better than De Kock? [emoji1]

These are very good players but they are too one-dimensional. There is a lack of variety in the England team.

Take some of the big teams, such as SA.

De Villiers - big hitter, scores all round wicket

Amla - accumulator

Steyn - fast

Morkel  - Tall

Each has their own difference.

Look at England.

Ali, Bell, Taylor, Root, Ballance are all similar. Will work the ball, have specific strong shots.

Woakes, Finn, Anderson, Broad - 80-odd mph.

Even the 'spin' option of Tredwell, Ali and Root are all RH offies.


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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #84 on: March 10, 2015, 12:09:28 AM »

I'm failing to see what this continual obsession with Quinton de Kock is about...

The kid is going through a rough patch after getting a bad injury, does that mean he's never gonna score runs again?

And if you think Bell(33 years old) would replace de Kock(22 years old) you're sadly mistaken, as if van Wyk wasn't selected no one else is getting close.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #85 on: March 10, 2015, 02:33:01 AM »

I'd love to see Quinny de Kock find some form in this tournament. Exciting talent. Seems to have trouble getting his feet moving so far.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #86 on: March 10, 2015, 04:41:50 AM »

Play more draw cricket, that will increase the flare.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #87 on: March 10, 2015, 07:14:49 AM »

Play more draw cricket, that will increase the flare.

play more slog fests.. that'll increase skill and ability to play test matches.
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #88 on: March 10, 2015, 09:35:04 AM »

Hales
Roy
Taylor (C)
Root
Buttler
Billings
Ali
Rashid
Willey
Woakes
Finn (after David Saker has been taken round the back of the Lords pavilion and shot)
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Re: English Post Mortem
« Reply #89 on: March 10, 2015, 09:41:14 AM »

Hales
Roy
Taylor (C)
Root
Buttler
Billings
Ali
Rashid
Willey
Woakes
Finn (after David Saker has been taken round the back of the Lords pavilion and shot)

this highlights the major problem that England have. Our bowling resources are thin. We have loads of talented batsmen - some who haven't been picked, some who are underperforming and some who have had their talent coached out of them.

But the bowling.

arrgg - who is going to be scared of that attack?
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