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[SLC]

Downton also said we shouldnt make any knee jerk decisions.

In other news, turkey votes against christmas.

[ProCricketer1982]

Times reports that Downton has had discussions with Graves and he is safe... (no link cause of stupid paywall I'm afraid)

IF Graves doesn't get rid of this mob then he's confirming he is as bad as the rest of them. He signed off on all the crap over the last 12 months anyway so is tainted but not firing Downton, Moores, Whittaker etc is just old boys club.

Graves needs to go if this is true.

[arsenal123]

Graves gave Yorkshire the boot up the (No Swearing Please) it needed, hopefully he will do the same with England. 

He didn't accept Yorkshire being an average Div 2 team and said he wanted Yorkshire to win the CC in the next 3 years, people laughed at him.  He did it.

[ProCricketer1982]

Graves gave Yorkshire the boot up the (No Swearing Please) it needed, hopefully he will do the same with England. 

He didn't accept Yorkshire being an average Div 2 team and said he wanted Yorkshire to win the CC in the next 3 years, people laughed at him.  He did it.

if he keeps Downton, Moores, Whittaker etc then he's lost me before he's started.

[arsenal123]

And me.  But I'm willing to give him until the end of the world cup to sort things, nothing should happen until they get home.

Can't believe the PR s**t-storm that the ECB have put out in the public domain.  From Moores' 'stats-gate' to Downton stating that nobody else could do a better job, looking all the way back to the KP affairs.  Incompetent and idiotic.

[joeljonno]

if he keeps Downton, Moores, Whittaker etc then he's lost me before he's started.

So unless he gets rid of everyone, no matter the cost or negative impact on the upcoming ashes series and cricket in general he "has lost you"?

Well, you may as well become an Aussie if you are going to hate English cricket so much.

I doubt your opinion, without knowing his long term plan, will make much difference.

Maybe you should give him more than 5 minutes to sort it out.

How about sacking everyone and closing the ECB down? Get rid of professional cricket in England and no longer have an international team?




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[ProCricketer1982]

So unless he gets rid of everyone, no matter the cost or negative impact on the upcoming ashes series and cricket in general he "has lost you"?

Well, you may as well become an Aussie if you are going to hate English cricket so much.

I doubt your opinion, without knowing his long term plan, will make much difference.

Maybe you should give him more than 5 minutes to sort it out.

How about sacking everyone and closing the ECB down? Get rid of professional cricket in England and no longer have an international team?




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so you support the ECB then? You think those who have done what they have to the English game (pro and amateur) in the last year or two deserve to keep their jobs?? I don't hate english cricket, I want it to be as strong as it can be. I just don't see the point of flogging a dead horse. These guys have proven they aren't up to it so why keep them?

I doubt anyone on here's opinion matters to them in any way.

[SLC]

I expect Graves will wait until after the ashes to make his move, its much more sensible.

If he appoints "his men" now and we're given a hiding, he'll be under pressure.

If he lets Moores lead us into thw ashes it's win win. Either Moores is crap, and can be sacked giving Graves a powerful position to drive through change blaming the loss of a system he inherited, or we do well, and everything becomes fine again.

[Sam]

Just on a side note to all those mentioning Harmison, I may be wrong here but  I seem to remember rumors going around that he was denied a coaching position at Durham due to a poor attitude towards the game at the end of his career.

[skip1973]

Yes a sad reflection of the depths we have sunk to. Bell has been frequently hyped to the heavens as an experienced batsman to build around, compared frequently to Amla, however 4 hundreds from 160 ODIs doesn't compare too favourably with 20 hundreds from 112 so the comparison is pretty laughable.  And for those that think Trott's the answer, 4 hundreds from 68 isn't that great.

I don't get the sunk business, England have never embraced one day cricket.

[skip1973]

you seriously want an Aussie running the England team? That would complete the humiliation. You obviously dont recall Botham/stewart playing in the 92 WC final. Vaughan taking the Aussies on single handed in 2001\2, i was there for the tour, he was the only player the Aussies respected. I could carry on but my point is that these guys are forward looking, understand what it takes to win at international level. The current incumbents dont.

It really doesn't bother me, I am quit happy to see England flounder forever. Vaughan was the epitome of what's wrong with English one day cricket averaged in the 20's with a poor strike rate but thought his test status should see him stay in the side, Botham enjoy's being able to criticise in his commentary rolls too much to take on any coaching, ECB would be very wary of him too.

[felix]

I don't get the sunk business, England have never embraced one day cricket.

Agreed, maybe didn't express it very well... My point was that, I'm not usually convined that change for change's sake is a good thing, and not sure that the younger talent pool in the domestic game could do any better than the current lot. However it's now clearer than ever that the experienced core in the current team isn't delivering - Moores' beloved stats should tell him that much - hasn't for a long time and is unlikely to ever again. So we might at least learn something from trying some radical changes.

[skip1973]

Actually Bumble was on a breakfast radio show yesterday saying moores doesn't overly rely on stats which surprised me.

[jamielsn15]

Great article (in my opinion) here from Ricky Ponting...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/847795.html

Very interesting to read the second story re; Australia's batting order - great balance of specialist, not 'bits and pieces' players - and their flexibility.

I find being 172-0 against Scotland after 30 overs (the most at the time by any side in the WC) and then a) not sending Buttler in and b) only scoring just over 300 runs absolutely crazy.  The fear to play and wherever that pressure is coming from, is scary.

Interesting that Ponting's heard noises from the England players re; the coaching.  Exactly the same happened with Moores in 2009.  Michael Vaughan's points re; him working with younger players and having a man manager-type coach at the top seems common sense.  But there needs to be a comprehensive change top down and in outlook.  Too much over-coaching across all sports in England.  The skill in coaching should be knowing what to nurture and let develop and what to correct.

There also needs to be more focus on game situations.  The FA are heading in this direction, with focus on players expressing themselves and reading game situations.  The ECB should look at that.  Lots of wickets fell in clusters, which points to cluttered minds and panic collectively.  Use data, freedom/expression to play (or 'no fear' cricket), improving technique and game management as equally salient tools, but not with an over-reliance on any one factor...

[arsenal123]

I'm currently reading an excellent book - 'soccernomics' that talks about shared knowledge.  It essentially goes into why certain nations/clubs are superpowers.  It makes some interesting notes about 'Networks' and why it is key to have shared knowledge, and that isolationism never leads to benefits.  Just a thought that occurred to me when thinking about foreign coaches.