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[smilley792]

Hales was an experiment I so what to happen, and I so wanted it to work. In fact if he gets an extended run I still hope it does.


But he is not working currently in South Africa. And he can't have many more chances left.

Personally giving a player like hales his opportunity against South Africa in South Africa was always gonna end in failure, even more so had steyn and philander been fit.

He should have had uae to get his mind going and used to it.




But then had carbs still been in the side, or lyth given uae and then South Africa. We well could have a very established opener.

You both have to give these guys a decent chance(which isn't happening) but also no when to give up and move on.

[ProCricketer1982]

Compton to open, Root 3 and bring back KP at 4. Seems logical to me 

Leave root alone, he's doing well at 4 so leave him there.  It's interesting the people now saying they didn't back hales.. He was going to be the saviour a few weeks ago. Guys a slogger, never shown anything other than that. Go back to white ball cricket biff runs, be a star in that and enjoy a career but leave proper cricket alone

[uknsaunders]

Hale's might come again or develop this summer. Not sure why we have openers who snick off all the time. Lyth and Hale's are justed different handed versions of each other.

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[Johnny]

Wtf!! That's crazy talk..

@ProCricketer1982 is that crazy talk as in you think I'm crazy, or crazy talk as in "don't be daft, this conservative England set up would never dare be so dynamic" ?

350ish in just short of 4 sessions is do-able (admittedly, slim chance on this wearing pitch). With the series already done, why not show a statement if intent and try and win it. If Stokes bats 3 and comes off, then he'll do it quickly and maybe get us in a position to win.

[smilley792]

Where do people think we should look or how do we look for our test players??


Everyone seems to think hales was selected as a white ball biffer.

Yet

First call record
2014 1032 runs at 49avg.(from 22 innings)
2015 1021 runs at 51 avg.(from 20 innings)



Yet Compton. Who is a red ball test player that should have been in the side and never dropped.

First class
2014 1034 runs at an average of 43.(from 27 innings)
2015 1132 runs at an average of 38.(from 30 innings)


Over the last two years hales red ball statistics are much better than Compromis, yet he is the biffer that shouldn't be near a red ball and Compton is our saviour?


It turns out to be true for hales atleast at test level, but he earnt his shot, if we had ignored him over and over again would we not be in the same position as South Africa and Stephen cook??
A guy who was first selected well into his 30s because when he was in his early twenties he was seen as a white ball player, and for the last ten years they just ignored his stats.

[Johnny]

How many of those red ball runs to Hales score as an opener though?

[smilley792]

How many of those red ball runs to Hales score as an opener though?

No idea don't have the means to split that. Some were at six(beginning of 2014 as he was coming back from an average of about 7 in 2013) some were opening but I believe most were at 3.

Same for Compton though, some games he opened and others he was at 3.



Maybe a call to swap them round for England??

[alexhilly1492]

i believe hales opened in 2015 but not 100 per cent on that

[WalkingWicket37]

Doesn't Jason Roy average about 67 opening in the championship, by the logic on here he should get a go...

[smilley792]

Doesn't Jason Roy average about 67 opening in the championship, by the logic on here he should get a go...

Again, stats are proving to be a useless thing to look at to find a test opener. So where and how do we look?

[alexhilly1492]

simple stick with hales for now he always improves with time that has been shown in his notts career minus 2013 and his t20i and odi career

[brokenbat]

Is steve cook too old to emigrate to Eng and join the team?

[Aussie In England]

Hales (or Lyth) is a tough one - because whoever gets the Sri Lanka series is likely to do pretty well due to their attack being pretty much awful.  I don't think any amount of runs against them will really tell anyone a whole lot about a player, save their ability to bat selfish.

I wouldn't have dropped Lyth.  I think he's proved already that he is a quality player - that hundred against NZ at Headingley did it.  But the same logic as should have applied then - i.e. give him a few more games - applies as well to Hales now.

Same 'awful' Sri Lankan attack that won them their last series in England just 2 years ago?

[ProCricketer1982]

How many of those red ball runs to Hales score as an opener though?

He scored quite a few I believe Opening for Notts but that's an indictment on the lvcc more than hales. Hales on runs once England ditched Lyth had to give him a go. You guys know I can't stand his type of player in test cricket but e lad deserved to open in the uae, South Africa and a home series. We can't just churn through guys like we have. Personally I'd give him e home summer and see what happens (caveat is it's not just about runs, but also 'how' he looks technically)

If he fails then you have to either keep rewarding runs or, or, back to making an assessment on techniques and back that. Either way, I'm trying to be unbiased (which although you guys won't agree I try to be when picking players) and hales while not my choice has earned according to selection rules the right to have a run. Think of he pressure the poor lads under, it must affect him (and Compton/Taylor)

[ProCricketer1982]

simple stick with hales for now he always improves with time that has been shown in his notts career minus 2013 and his t20i and odi career

White ball runs are a terrible way to assess suitability to test matches.