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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #75 on: November 19, 2015, 11:58:20 AM »

Course he will and you can almost see what's going happen can't you? He'll score LOADS next season Compton will have a lean run at 3 and all of a sudden all the people who wanted Bell dumped earlier this year will be whinging to have him back. That being said I think Bell was on borrowed time.

Yeah...touch and go for a while he's been short on confidence and short on runs. Sounds like thou from his quotes this morning he will try to get his place back. That's going to be very hard I would suggest now.

But yes, If you support Warwickshire you have Bell and the trench digger to watch for a while it seems. Bell has always been passionate about playing for his County which not all pro's have been-that's good to see.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #76 on: November 19, 2015, 12:32:49 PM »

Surprisingly KP has a view on the Bell situation that doesn't entirely agree with ECB's standpoint.........

https://www.facebook.com/BreatheSportUK/videos/1685000945076945/ 
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #77 on: November 19, 2015, 01:39:02 PM »

If Compton brought in as a possible opener should Hales fail then i'd rather have seen Carberry. Proved himself apt against fast bowling on bouncy wickets.

If compton 3 and Hales gets out, I worry we'd have another 40 runs in an hour between Compton and Cook. Hopefully not.

No complaints over Bell being dropped, he hasn't performed in a few innings now and you can see he's having to try at the crease, rather than it being his usual natural flowing game on autopilot.

Cricket teams are made up of 11 men, no room for sentiment or past glorys in there. When that 11 cross that rope, you should be confident they're the best players, and in good form. If they're not in good form you should believe they can find they're old form in this match. Bell has shown in his last 10 matches he can't find that form, and he's about to go against one hell of a bowling attack.

England XI for me:

Cook
Hales
Roooooooot
Taylor
Bairstow
Stokes (Is he fit?)
Ali
Jordan
Broad
Footit
Anderson

5 seamers overkill? Maybe, concerns over Comptons strike rate. Footit in because I like a left armer in the side. If only Sidebottom hadn't retired from tests!

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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #78 on: November 19, 2015, 01:40:30 PM »

Surprisingly KP has a view on the Bell situation that doesn't entirely agree with ECB's standpoint.........

https://www.facebook.com/BreatheSportUK/videos/1685000945076945/

I agree with him. Dropping Bell is asinine. Epic stupidity.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #79 on: November 19, 2015, 01:41:49 PM »

Surprisingly KP has a view on the Bell situation that doesn't entirely agree with ECB's standpoint.........

https://www.facebook.com/BreatheSportUK/videos/1685000945076945/

Is that the same KP who is a director of Ian Bell's management team?
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #80 on: November 19, 2015, 01:44:46 PM »


If Compton brought in as a possible opener should Hales fail then i'd rather have seen Carberry. Proved himself apt against fast bowling on bouncy wickets.

If compton 3 and Hales gets out, I worry we'd have another 40 runs in an hour between Compton and Cook. Hopefully not.

No complaints over Bell being dropped, he hasn't performed in a few innings now and you can see he's having to try at the crease, rather than it being his usual natural flowing game on autopilot.

Cricket teams are made up of 11 men, no room for sentiment or past glorys in there. When that 11 cross that rope, you should be confident they're the best players, and in good form. If they're not in good form you should believe they can find they're old form in this match. Bell has shown in his last 10 matches he can't find that form, and he's about to go against one hell of a bowling attack.

England XI for me:

Cook
Hales
Roooooooot
Taylor
Bairstow
Stokes (Is he fit?)
Ali
Jordan
Broad
Footit
Anderson

5 seamers overkill? Maybe, concerns over Comptons strike rate. Footit in because I like a left armer in the side. If only Sidebottom hadn't retired from tests!

Probably one too many. 4 will be enough, I hope, unless there is another all-rounder

Cook
Hales
Ballance
Root
Taylor
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Broad
Footitt
Anderson


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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #81 on: November 19, 2015, 01:46:59 PM »

Has Ballance sorted his technique out since being dropped from the ashes? otherwise he'll not last 20 balls.


Rashid dropped so he can go play big bash, getting experience for the world T20 cup

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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #82 on: November 19, 2015, 01:49:02 PM »

Still can't understand why they've dropped Bell and picked up Ballance - what has Ballance done to prove his worth?

Best bowling attack in the world, and we're sending Ballance and Compton. Jesus.


Good timing for M&H though, coincidence? :-[
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #83 on: November 19, 2015, 01:49:37 PM »

Is that the same KP who is a director of Ian Bell's management team?

That's him, big tall South African lad, decent cricketer they reckon.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #84 on: November 19, 2015, 01:49:41 PM »

must read the forum and think they need a pr boost hahaha
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #85 on: November 19, 2015, 02:27:24 PM »

I'd be flabbergasted if the South Africans bowl anything pitched up at Ali, he will be like a rabbit in the headlights, they will bump him out in every test, and smash his over pitched and over paced off-spin allover
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #86 on: November 19, 2015, 02:31:50 PM »

sounds like the Saffers are on social media already getting into England over the selections and non-selections!!

It may just be banter but Boucher has a point leaving Bell out...I know he had a poor 12 months but he is a proven player

we will find out I guess.....but yeah SA are gonna bomb Ali and Ballance big time
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #87 on: November 19, 2015, 02:35:20 PM »

5 batsmen, 1 batsman / keeper, 4 seamers, one spinner (ali)

The team will bat down to 8, with Broad at 9 and two bunnies. also allows for 4 x seamers and 2 x off-spinners.

None of this 5 seamers lark, you need plenty of batters out there!
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #88 on: November 19, 2015, 03:07:40 PM »

I'd never have dropped Bell and, listening to Cook, Michael Vaughan and Bayliss just after the UAE test series, I don't think they foresaw it.  Cook had a shocking lean run and clearly thought Bell would come through it. Bayliss was actually talking about Bell playing to SA.  Vaughan said he has to go, for his experience.

I just don't see Compton and/or Ballance coping as well.  There's a perception that Bell plays spin well.  He doesn't.  He dances down to a ball, then goes into survival mode.  He doesn't read the ball out of the bowler's hand at all well.  However, pace he can play.  Very well.  He loves the ball coming on and bouncy tracks and I honestly think he'd score runs in SA.  I genuinely don't think Compton or Ballance are better options on SA pitches against that attack.

To not even take him, even if you want to start with another player, is nonsensical.  It really is.  Maybe Root's come of age and is seen as an experienced head.  Great.  Top, top player.  But what if his back goes?  Even with him, you've got a top eight batting order with one player who's played over 40 tests. 
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #89 on: November 19, 2015, 03:52:02 PM »

There's always a chance Bell may have actually decided he does want out of the international arena and it was more his choice?

And those saying what has Ballance done? Well scored runs and at 5 where he belongs, that's probably a start.
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