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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #135 on: November 23, 2015, 11:37:31 AM »
We know the Eng batting order is going to be

Cook, Hales, Compton, Root, Taylor, Stokes, Bairstow (Buttler), Ali, Broad, Anderson, Footitt (Woakes)

Does anyone else think that it would be more balanced if the order was:

Cook, Compton, Root, Hales, Taylor, Stokes, Bairstow (Buttler), Ali, Broad, Anderson, Footitt (Woakes)

Ideally i would have an attacking opening batsman - but I just think Hales would be better served batting lower down the order than opening against Steyn and Morkel...
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #136 on: November 23, 2015, 11:38:41 AM »
Gareth Batty is a better bowler. Again, I'm not saying I'd pick him.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #137 on: November 23, 2015, 11:42:26 AM »
Why is everyone assuming Compton will play? Did I miss an announcement?
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #138 on: November 23, 2015, 11:46:31 AM »
Depends who and where your playing.

But Ali Patel have more control and will go for less runs than Rashid in a tie an end up situation.

On a 5 day raging turning, Rashid is more likely to take wickets.

As for batting, Patel and Ali are more classed as batsmen, ali is better to set up a win when England are dominate, but Rashid vs shah in the 2nd innings played and picked the opposite spinner like top order batsmen couldn't, and would do a much better job in tiring an end up and keeping the opposition out there and working(which is test cricket).
Patel would be the between, do both kind of batsmen.


As we are in South Africa against the worlds no1, id expect we'd need a spinner to tie an end up, and bat for long periods to frustrate the opposition.
So I'd play Patel over Ali every time.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #139 on: November 23, 2015, 11:48:03 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 23, 2015, 11:42:26 AM
Why is everyone assuming Compton will play? Did I miss an announcement?

Obviously the selectors have started to listen to us now.....DEH!
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #140 on: November 23, 2015, 11:49:08 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 23, 2015, 11:42:26 AM
Why is everyone assuming Compton will play? Did I miss an announcement?

I'm with you on this, reckon he's merely there to be back up if hales fails drastically in the first two tests.


My xi for test 1 is.

Cook
Hales
Taylor
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Patel
Plunkett
Broad
Anderson.

But reckon England will have Ali for Patel and maybe footit for Plunkett.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #141 on: November 23, 2015, 11:49:56 AM »
Quote from: petehosk on November 23, 2015, 11:48:03 AM
Obviously the selectors have started to listen to us now.....DEH!

haha

they are not going to take a senior player and not play him. He's going to play, if Bell went then maybe not but there's no Ian Bell.We need some experience on this tour. It's gonna be tough!
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #142 on: November 23, 2015, 11:55:20 AM »
Quote from: ppccopener on November 23, 2015, 11:49:56 AM
haha

they are not going to take a senior player and not play him. He's going to play, if Bell went then maybe not but there's no Ian Bell.We need some experience on this tour. It's gonna be tough!

Ballance has more Test experience (and runs) than Compton.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #143 on: November 23, 2015, 11:58:50 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 23, 2015, 11:55:20 AM
Ballance has more Test experience (and runs) than Compton.

good point he has......but again is he a top 3 batsman with his technique?

he bats either 5 or 6 for Yorkshire......
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #144 on: November 23, 2015, 11:59:13 AM »
He's not wrong, ballance has played 6 more games, scored 700 more runs, more fifties, more hundreds, and has a 50% better average.


Compton is senior only in age, not experience.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #145 on: November 23, 2015, 12:02:06 PM »
I like Ballance but like others have said I think he'd need to bat at 5. In my mind Taylor is Englands long term no.3 don't know if anyone else agrees but that's my opinion on the batting order long term:

1. Cook
2. Hales
3. Taylor
4. Root
5. Ballance
6. Stokes
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #146 on: November 23, 2015, 12:03:17 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on November 23, 2015, 11:58:50 AM
good point he has......but again is he a top 3 batsman with his technique?

he bats either 5 or 6 for Yorkshire......

We'd crossed that hurdle. The World Cup fiasco threw him off course.

I don't think Nick Compton has the finely tuned technique that you think he has.

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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #147 on: November 23, 2015, 12:05:18 PM »
Quote from: northernboy1987 on November 23, 2015, 12:02:06 PM
I like Ballance but like others have said I think he'd need to bat at 5. In my mind Taylor is Englands long term no.3 don't know if anyone else agrees but that's my opinion on the batting order long term:

1. Cook
2. Hales
3. Taylor
4. Root
5. Ballance
6. Stokes

Not a bad shout.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #148 on: November 23, 2015, 12:14:26 PM »
I think you guys should read this
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/content/story/938997.html
which explains why Nick Compton will play and the last paragraph of this:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/nov/19/ian-bell-batsman-england
Bell’s boots are large ones to fill, although he was rarely at his best at three. There could be a chance for Ballance at five but hearing anecdotally he has done nothing to address the technical difficulty that sees him play from the crease even on the front foot does not inspire confidence.

which explains why Ballance should not play (should not have been picked in my view)

Taylor will be an excellent 5 for England and he should be given a chance to bed in there first rather than making him bat 3 at this point.


Following the "inside cricket" brigade on twitter tells you who will play in the games/who goes on the tours pretty early - i.e. Selvey, Newman, Etheridge and Brenkley.
Personally I abhor a load about what these guys harp on about - but they get the leaks first.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #149 on: November 23, 2015, 12:16:58 PM »
Quote from: Buzz on November 23, 2015, 12:14:26 PM


Taylor will be an excellent 5 for England and he should be given a chance to bed in there first rather than making him bat 3 at this point.



Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 23, 2015, 12:05:18 PM
Not a bad shout.

In my opinion it's what things should start to look like going forward. Taylor and Root could be swapped at 3 & 4 down to personal preference I suppose. @Buzz I wasn't meaning for this tour as such (I think Compton may well bat at 3) more that eventually that is what, in my opinion, England's batting line up should be :)
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