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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #195 on: November 24, 2015, 04:28:54 PM »

Ha would have to be Meaker or Rankin I think! Rankin's back off to Ireland though, and Meaker seems to have gone awol over the past couple of seasons.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #196 on: November 24, 2015, 05:38:17 PM »

Dernbach, hahaha.

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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #197 on: November 24, 2015, 06:40:15 PM »

Dockrell plays for Ireland, not England!!
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #198 on: November 24, 2015, 06:49:02 PM »

Trouble with Balance is that his weaknesses got found out and exposed. That's not necessarily a problem, happens to almost everyone in international cricket sooner or later, and the best players who are gonna have long careers work on it, maybe change a few things, and overcome the problem. See Cook, Tendulkar, etc etc. Balance is no doubt a serious batsman, but he's said he won't be changing anything. Might as well have a sign on his back with instructions on how to get him out.

Tough one - the problem he experienced was that his tendency to hang back deep in the crease left him vulnerable to a high class left arm quick pitching the ball up around off stump.  He might well think that, hold on, there are maybe three or four of those in world cricket (Boult, Starc, Wahab, Johnson pre-retirement) and he never seemed to have the same problem when he faced slightly lesser bowlers (Junaid, Wagner, McClenaghan, Parnell).  His argument would go look, when I'm in a bit better nick, this won't be an issue and I don't wanna throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Is he right?  Time will tell.  But...

I said at the time that he was an odd choice to bat first wicket down and I stick by that.  When he comes back in to the side - and lets be clear, he is way too high class a player not to at some point - he should bat four or five as he has always done in county cricket.  Doing so, he's that bit less vulnerable anyway and is doing the job he grew up doing.

Should he be in the squad/side at the moment?  I'd say he's luckier even than Compton.  He might have been just a bit unlucky to be dropped when he was, but it had to happen sooner or later, and he did not do that much back at Yorkshire.  You'd have thought they'd have set him a more demanding target to earn his spot back - three or four first class tons, say - so that he came back in top nick rather than spending a winter drinks waiting.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #199 on: November 24, 2015, 07:24:57 PM »

Compton
9 tests, 17 innings, 1 50, 2 100's. 479 runs at 31.93

Ballance
15 tests, 27 innings, 6 50's, 4 100's. 1194 runs at 47.76

Me
0 tests. Rest n/a

You
You'll have to get back to me on that?



So, what was I looking at?

Erm, you said weight of posts?
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #200 on: November 24, 2015, 07:34:19 PM »

Meaker seems to have gone awol over the past couple of seasons.

He was in charge of the jumble sale on the last day of the season at The Oval.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #201 on: November 24, 2015, 07:53:39 PM »

He was in charge of the jumble sale on the last day of the season at The Oval.
Believe it or not I didn't mean he'd actually disappeared... Just not been playing a lot of cricket.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #202 on: November 24, 2015, 07:55:38 PM »

Tough one - the problem he experienced was that his tendency to hang back deep in the crease left him vulnerable to a high class left arm quick pitching the ball up around off stump.  He might well think that, hold on, there are maybe three or four of those in world cricket (Boult, Starc, Wahab, Johnson pre-retirement) and he never seemed to have the same problem when he faced slightly lesser bowlers (Junaid, Wagner, McClenaghan, Parnell).  His argument would go look, when I'm in a bit better nick, this won't be an issue and I don't wanna throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Is he right?  Time will tell.  But...

I said at the time that he was an odd choice to bat first wicket down and I stick by that.  When he comes back in to the side - and lets be clear, he is way too high class a player not to at some point - he should bat four or five as he has always done in county cricket.  Doing so, he's that bit less vulnerable anyway and is doing the job he grew up doing.

Should he be in the squad/side at the moment?  I'd say he's luckier even than Compton.  He might have been just a bit unlucky to be dropped when he was, but it had to happen sooner or later, and he did not do that much back at Yorkshire.  You'd have thought they'd have set him a more demanding target to earn his spot back - three or four first class tons, say - so that he came back in top nick rather than spending a winter drinks waiting.
That's true on the top lefty front, but the lack of runs in county cricket where he was scoring boatloads before does imply that other bowlers have got his number as well sadly. Hopefully he can adjust and come back, the guy is clearly a serious runmaker. Maybe he's in the squad with a slight view to keeping an eye on him.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #203 on: November 24, 2015, 08:25:25 PM »

That's true on the top lefty front, but the lack of runs in county cricket where he was scoring boatloads before does imply that other bowlers have got his number as well sadly. Hopefully he can adjust and come back, the guy is clearly a serious runmaker. Maybe he's in the squad with a slight view to keeping an eye on him.

Hmmm...I wouldn't go that far.  He may not have reached his previous stellar heights but he still made nearly 50 at 36 (which was not bad after making 18 in his first four knocks!) and 300 at 43 in the One Dayers- I think this is symptomatic of recovering confidence rather than people having his number.

Still think its six months too early for him to come back in.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #204 on: November 24, 2015, 08:30:38 PM »

Hmmm...I wouldn't go that far.  He may not have reached his previous stellar heights but he still made nearly 50 at 36 (which was not bad after making 18 in his first four knocks!) and 300 at 43 in the One Dayers- I think this is symptomatic of recovering confidence rather than people having his number.

Still think its six months too early for him to come back in.
Yeah wouldn't say it for sure as I only saw one knock of his on TV, but it's a long way below his career numbers. Personally I hope he makes plenty of runs, but that Taylor makes even more in the tests to keep him out!
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #205 on: November 24, 2015, 08:35:43 PM »

Believe it or not I didn't mean he'd actually disappeared... Just not been playing a lot of cricket.

Believe it or not,  I did not actually believe that you actually believed that he had.

I was making a 'how the mighty have fallen' kind of point. Fairly humorously, I thought.
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #206 on: November 24, 2015, 09:32:00 PM »

Erm, you said weight of posts?

I never mentioned posts, I said about "mediocre" players not being given a chance to prove themselves.

But if you insist on comparing weight of post:

Ballance - none I'm aware of
Compton - none I'm aware of

So Ballance has better stats at test level and the same weight of posts. What's your point?  ???
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #207 on: November 24, 2015, 11:20:18 PM »

No, you never ever mentioned weight of posts. Or modified anything.  ;)
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #208 on: November 24, 2015, 11:41:26 PM »

All I modified was my borderline dyslexic spelling (which i normally spot when I'm quoted or I read back a post later).

I'm still curious what your point was regarding Compton vs Ballance. Could you please be so kind as to elaborate?
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Re: South Africa vs England
« Reply #209 on: November 25, 2015, 04:35:20 AM »

I was drawing your attention to the fact that Ballance had more Test runs than Compton.

Re. posts: As you you changed my 'weight of runs never bores me' comment to 'weight of posts never bores me' when (mis)quoting me,  I was drawing attention to the fact that, in a similar amount of time, you have posted on here about seven times as often as I have. You have since covered your tracks in a sneaky attempt to avoid looking like a fool.

Grow up.
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