Topic: How would you fix club cricket? (Read 11846 times)

Tailendfielder · « **Reply #30 on:** December 03, 2015, 10:33:50 PM »

I agree with alot of pro cricket says but the margins from developors on housing projects is really slim. Modern livestyles destroying sport and as already mentioned people mention there is a huge change in attitude. Alot of sports clubs have lost there soul. Its not about to change.

arsenal123 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 07, 2015, 03:32:27 PM »

Quote from: smilley792 on December 03, 2015, 09:32:20 PM

It is, but it was given to us as a grant to improve our facilities, and is only set aside for the 2 lane net. We aren't allowed to find a cheaper fitter and spend the cash elsewhere.
If we did, we'd lose the grant. Rules are baffling.

Incredible isn't it. We're going through the same process right now.

You have the choice of about two fitters who have likely artificially increased the prices to suit themselves. Pretty certain we could have done it ourselves for around 10k. Instead, we raised 5k and used that money to pay a company to source grants (they make 10%) and then the grants pay the stupidly high sum for us. Pathetic really...!

ppccopener · « **Reply #32 on:** January 29, 2016, 01:32:09 PM »

Minor change just announced for part of the middlesex league where i play no change to overs but games start at 1230 which is earlier than last year-the thinking is to stop very late finishes
I like this idea myself..yes its a bit hard if you work sat mornings but its something

Also proposed but not accepted all games to be 40/40 win or lose

This didnt get thru
For league cricket is a draw still the option or have most leagues changed to win or lose?

thecord · « **Reply #33 on:** January 29, 2016, 03:20:38 PM »

We've been win / lose for pretty much as long as I can remember in Bristol.

ppccopener · « **Reply #34 on:** January 29, 2016, 03:29:20 PM »

Do you have 45 overs each side? or does it depend which division the games are in? i.e. higher the division the more overs are played? so getting towards replicating minor counties cricket.....

hilly_2015 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 29, 2016, 03:35:02 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 29, 2016, 03:29:20 PM

Do you have 45 overs each side? or does it depend which division the games are in? i.e. higher the division the more overs are played? so getting towards replicating minor counties cricket.....

In our league it's win / lose and 45 overs per side. This is the best format for me. We also start our games at 1:30 to try and avoid late finishes. Think all games need to be completed by 7.30pm at the latest. This then gives people at least a small chance of going out for the evening.

Can't stand timed cricket. I'd find it soul destroying if you batted a team out of the game, only for the opposition to come in from ball one and play for the draw.

edge · « **Reply #36 on:** January 29, 2016, 03:50:37 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 29, 2016, 03:29:20 PM

Do you have 45 overs each side? or does it depend which division the games are in? i.e. higher the division the more overs are played? so getting towards replicating minor counties cricket.....

40/45 depending on divison in the Bristol leagues, then the regional premier league is 50, so more overs the higher you play yep.

Are there really that many draw leagues out there? I've played a bit of draw cricket but leagues have always been win/lose.

ppccopener · « **Reply #37 on:** January 29, 2016, 04:04:23 PM »

actually the reason i'm asking is because I think Middlesex is a bit behind the rest of the Country, as in we don't play limited overs cricket and so a draw is possible yes......less draws nowadays compared to before but still draws....you can get 4 points or 1 point from a drawn game depending on run-rate, more points obviously for a higher run rate..

As an experiment last season a few league games in the higher divisions had 50/50 win/lose as part of the league programme-these limited overs games are increasing this year-so they are mixing and matching

I totally agree playing for a draw from the outset is probably what's turning people off. So....slowly they are trying to make the game more exciting

Personally I've been playing a long time and would rather give it 100 per cent to win, and if you lose dust yourself down and get in the pub...a draw can be a total waste of time

roco · « **Reply #38 on:** January 29, 2016, 04:15:12 PM »

In our structure as far as I'm aware the teams in prem/div1 clubs voted for win loose after being asked by the league but then the league rejected it

I hate draws as breeds poor cricket too often

paul090971 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 29, 2016, 04:18:35 PM »

We have 45 overs win lose or draw. We have 1 side in Div 7. Our wicket is a road, we end up 5th or 6th most seasons with so many draws, lose the toss we have to bat first. No chance of bowling a side out. Very dull cricket.

To fix club cricket I think in the lower leagues you need to play 40 overs a side. Chance to get back early but also bring back some of the Saturday working players who cant make these 1pm or 1:30 starts. To help out clubs stop with these stupid �10 fines for not rating an umpire, team spirit etc. Teams r struggling financially and our league has �82,000 in the bank.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #40 on:** January 29, 2016, 04:21:59 PM »

I think club league cricket gets caught in a professional v amateur issue with draws.

As a top level league you want to encourage teams to play hard and players to be ready for a higher level. A draw, like in county cricket, encourages teams to work for a win and creates good habits in future pro's - ie. not throwing your wicket away. Align that with 50/55/65 over cricket and no restrictions on bowlers and you have a breeding ground for longer form and higher level cricket.

However, most of your average cricketers aren't going to play a higher level. Most would rather play win lose and restrict overs for bowlers. The lower the league, the more clear cut the format people prefer. It comes a cropper where you have a league that is trying encourage a high standard of cricket but appease the average clubbie.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #41 on:** January 29, 2016, 04:33:29 PM »

Just to follow on.

The solution is to have a 1st/2nd XI club league that plays a high standard - ECB Prem for example. If you want to progress to being a paid sportsman then slog it out in a win/draw/lose format and the 2nd XI is a development/feeder team. Below that play 45/50 over win lose but called a separate league and don't pay anybody! Draw a line in the sand and let clubs make a choice, and cricketers. This kind of happens at present but the lines are blurred as clubs play different formats with 3/4/5 different teams in the same division. Draw the line, play distinct types of cricket and let clubs choose the way to go. My only caveat would be that any big club with more than 2 teams in a top level league either disbands the lower teams or creates a different playing entity - affiliated to the parent club yes, but totally independent in terms of selection.

hilly_2015 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 29, 2016, 06:13:51 PM »

How would you police the non-paying of players though? I've seen a few teams in the North East get round this by claiming they're not paying anybody, but it's common knowledge that they do.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #43 on:** January 29, 2016, 06:20:26 PM »

Quote from: hilly_2015 on January 29, 2016, 06:13:51 PM

How would you police the non-paying of players though? I've seen a few teams in the North East get round this by claiming they're not paying anybody, but it's common knowledge that they do.

Never easy is it! Had similar problems in one of my leagues. I think the easy answer is to come down hard on clubs, if they get caught it's a ban from all league cricket or demotion to the bottom level (plus a ban for the entire 1st XI) - put it all on the line if you cheat the system.

dcullen8 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 29, 2016, 06:34:54 PM »

Quote from: hilly_2015 on January 29, 2016, 06:13:51 PM

How would you police the non-paying of players though? I've seen a few teams in the North East get round this by claiming they're not paying anybody, but it's common knowledge that they do.

Got a few of these in my leagues, infact weve got one in our club!

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