Topic: How would you fix club cricket? (Read 11848 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 29, 2016, 07:48:19 PM »

Quote from: roco on January 29, 2016, 04:15:12 PM

I hate draws as breeds poor cricket too often

I feel the complete opposite. 2 years of draw and two years of win lose and the quality is marked.. Win lose is far far poorer and dominated by hitters and poor tactics. Draws produced 3-4 'boring' games but in the whole, teams and to work for their wins, more players get a game and games seem to always have a point.

I'd have two league systems, have a draw league that feeds to minor county and a win lose that just plays for fun

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 29, 2016, 07:49:03 PM »

Quote from: dcullen8 on January 29, 2016, 06:34:54 PM

Got a few of these in my leagues, infact weve got one in our club!

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As nick says, just ban the first team players and demote the club.. Soon stop the practice as it won't be worth the risk

tommo256 · « **Reply #47 on:** January 29, 2016, 08:04:14 PM »

You pay them as a coach not a player......

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #48 on:** January 29, 2016, 08:10:03 PM »

Quote from: tommo256 on January 29, 2016, 08:04:14 PM

You pay them as a coach not a player......

leagues need the bottle to say that's not an acceptable excuse, they won't of course so it's a mute point anyway

Tailendfielder · « **Reply #49 on:** January 29, 2016, 08:57:40 PM »

I would go win/lose. Draw cricket loses too many players.

I think reading through this thread shows the barriers in club cricket. Grounds, facilities, paid players and coaches. We cant raise that money and existing clubs fleece kids and clubmen to pay overseas pros, backhanders and oak panelled walls. If we dont look after players being treated like mugs and lower our facility expectaions we will die quicker than rugby and football.

New clubs have got it hard. We are doing well because we charge the lowest annual subs im aware of. �30 including a shirt. But the stories we hear about treatment of players shocks me.

How would i improve my club? Win the lottery and bank roll it. With a totally different attitude to the big clubs near me.

tommo256 · « **Reply #50 on:** January 29, 2016, 09:02:49 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on January 29, 2016, 08:10:03 PM

leagues need the bottle to say that's not an acceptable excuse, they won't of course so it's a mute point anyway

My old club wouldn't have got to the level we have got without the benefits of a overseas coach, it goes right through the whole club from the top level down to the juniors, the wealth of knowledge they provide!

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #51 on:** January 29, 2016, 09:24:20 PM »

Quote from: Tailendfielder on January 29, 2016, 08:57:40 PM

I would go win/lose. Draw cricket loses too many players.

Does it? Or is that the myth perpetuated ?? Numbers are falling with win lose just as much (as well as he skill levels)

Imknow the modern thinking is draw is Boring etc but most I speak to either have never played it (so are repeating stories and are scared of change) or guys who have played it and all agree you get a few 'Boring' draws when either yiu or they bat it out but on the whole it's better, more tactical and requires more skill than just hitting and then defending and waiting for batsmen to play cramp shots even if they are more than good enough to stay in and bat properly

As I say, should be two systems.. One for draws to produce proper players for pros and one win/lose for players who just play for a hit and giggle

I could point to the falling participation in 2020 cup and leagues too to demonstrate that win/lose isn't the answer either. Main reason I hear about 2020 is that only about half the team get any type of meaningful game., surely that's the key to it all!! Make every player have a purpose and not just be mugged off by their club or due to win lose, forced to slog and get out if they could bat with a purpose (ie, the draw)

Cin88 · « **Reply #52 on:** January 29, 2016, 09:43:06 PM »

It's a double edged sword if you think about it. Win/loss brings the issues of biffing over proper technique and the age old 5-6 people doing everything problem, yet having the ability to play for draws brings with it the chance that a match will be boring if a team decides to dig in and bat out the draw.

hilly_2015 · « **Reply #53 on:** January 29, 2016, 09:58:08 PM »

I think some unfairly believe that Win / Lose cricket is just for sloggers and those with poor technique. Let's look at modern day cricket, and what it's become. It's about attacking stroke play and being able to invent shots out of nothing. But you still don't get anywhere by slogging out in the first 10 overs.

I'd say a culture of Win / Lose leagues would unearth the types of player we desperately need. Anyone who is just looking to slog will get found out very quickly.

Tailendfielder · « **Reply #54 on:** January 29, 2016, 10:01:37 PM »

Quote from: Cin88 on January 29, 2016, 09:43:06 PM

It's a double edged sword if you think about it. Win/loss brings the issues of biffing over proper technique and the age old 5-6 people doing everything problem, yet having the ability to play for draws brings with it the chance that a match will be boring if a team decides to dig in and bat out the draw.

To correct my comment, ive lost alot of players in the last 4 years and i am unable to convince players to play for us who gave up because they hate draw cricket.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 29, 2016, 10:02:34 PM »

Quote from: Cin88 on January 29, 2016, 09:43:06 PM

It's a double edged sword if you think about it. Win/loss brings the issues of biffing over proper technique and the age old 5-6 people doing everything problem, yet having the ability to play for draws brings with it the chance that a match will be boring if a team decides to dig in and bat out the draw.

Everyone blames the team who digs in.. Why?? Why does no one question the other team.. Did they score to many runs? Is their bowling good enough?? Did they attack enough with field placements ? Does the skipper just expect batsmen to give it away and then cry when they don't? Is the bowling line up decent or rely on one / two good bowlers and if they don't skittle a team they struggle.. Is the team a batting team only?? Do they need to hit the runs but quicker and declare, so giving more time to bowl a sore out and tempt a team to go for it

Etc etc

This seems to be missed by the win lose lovers

Tailendfielder · « **Reply #56 on:** January 29, 2016, 10:04:59 PM »

Persobpnnally i like win lose draw because the game never becomes pointless although the best game ive played in are win/lose. I agree you @hilly_2015

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #57 on:** January 29, 2016, 10:06:04 PM »

Quote from: hilly_2015 on January 29, 2016, 09:58:08 PM

I think some unfairly believe that Win / Lose cricket is just for sloggers and those with poor technique. Let's look at modern day cricket, and what it's become. It's about attacking stroke play and being able to invent shots out of nothing. But you still don't get anywhere by slogging out in the first 10 overs.

I'd say a culture of Win / Lose leagues would unearth the types of player we desperately need. Anyone who is just looking to slog will get found out very quickly.

What players are desperately needed?? Hales?? Roy?? Really?? There are loads of middle order hitters around.mthe players lacking are the proper players !!

Biffers aren't found out, just look at the amount around. Flatter wickets make it easier to hit through the line etc.

Meh, I argue becUse it's sad to see but it won't change. A,auteur game will get shorter and shorter and player numbers will keep going down. Pro stuff will again, keep becoming more like 2020 and tests will be 500 plays 500 or thrsshings .

Eeyore

Batbuddy99 · « **Reply #58 on:** January 29, 2016, 10:09:12 PM »

I'm all for Draw cricket
I think the type of player I am I would be better suited to win/lose but I want to improve, and personally draw cricket is the answer to that

However saying that I could name one or two of my teammates who are coming from the other angle. Their game is naturally suited to draw cricket because they feel they get more opportunity to dig in and play a proper innings

All in all, such is the complex nature of the sport, not one way is going to solve it. There is no way of inducing one change that will completely solve it

We just have to live with it I think an provide all feasible options to provide as much participation as possible

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ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #59 on:** January 29, 2016, 10:10:50 PM »

Quote from: hilly_2015 on January 29, 2016, 09:58:08 PM

I think some unfairly believe that Win / Lose cricket is just for sloggers and those with poor technique. Let's look at modern day cricket, and what it's become. It's about attacking stroke play and being able to invent shots out of nothing. But you still don't get anywhere by slogging out in the first 10 overs.

I'd say a culture of Win / Lose leagues would unearth the types of player we desperately need. Anyone who is just looking to slog will get found out very quickly.

It's for hitters (different to sloggers), guys who just hit through the line and don't really care if it's on the up etc.. That's a white ball technique and breeds players like hales, buttler, stokes,Roy

Proper cricket will breed these too as you need a balanced batting lineup but you'll also get Strauss's, cooks, comptons, athertons etc these players will not survive in hitter cricket

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