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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2016, 06:51:08 PM »

Type 2 LE Gloves looks stunning but too expensive.
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2016, 07:01:39 PM »

For top of the range gloves then £70 is fair enough. Would I pay £70 for gloves, nope. My price ceiling was £25 and I blew that out of the water when I paid £40 odd for some h4l ones. Good luck to IJC/phantom, the gloves look great.

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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2016, 07:02:29 PM »

Stunning softs. Not something I would be able to afford tho! Lol


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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2016, 07:03:28 PM »

Oh I think I've made a boo boo, both pairs of gloves are 70 pounds, I assumed the Type 2 were cheaper.
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2016, 07:36:01 PM »

Design wise the pads are lovely, yes they are minimal branding, all white but have some subtle styling bits and pieces that look class, love the inner top hat with cross stitch and phantom logo and all leather instep is quality and always would rather have this than not.

But I will say as others have the price is just mental. This may have nothing to do with it for may but to charge £160 for softs from a what is essentially a sticker up other bats brand is mental. I would rather pay over the odds for softs from another brand if that brand I knew handmade all there bats, had a business premises to fund and trained and spent time with others that would like to learn the trade. I say this as I know these days the amount of mark up on the bats is not as good as it was.

As I say others may say that has nothing to do with it. All softs pretty much come from same price and basically are the same materials, Velcro, pittard leather, leather etc. But personally for me it does make a difference. I know Phantom are honest about what they do etc but I just think those prices are to much. But that's just my point of view.
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2016, 07:49:06 PM »

I own two Phantom bats, a set of last years LE pads and two pairs of gloves which I love in terms of quality, look and comfort. The new ones look epic but I could simply not justify £160 on a set of softs. The price of softs seems to have gone mental with some brands (big brands as well as smaller independent companies) asking around £100 for a pair of pads.

The way things are heading, if we are not careful in a few seasons time we could be looking at £200 for a set of top range softs
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2016, 08:04:47 PM »

My views will probably echo previous posts, great looking gear but top end soft prices seem to be going through the roof. While all bought second hand (but in excellent condition), I own Kookaburra Pro Issue,  Norfolk top end RR softs and Puma top end softs and the combined price was around the same price as new set of Phantom softs.
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2016, 08:46:36 PM »

I think these look awesome, the effort that has obviously been put into the design is definitely worth it!! I'm a fan of plain softs, just got the B&S ones that are a similar style but a lot plainer. As for price, if they are £20 more expensive than a different set its only the price of a takeaway.
I'm a fat git, so for me it's a no brainier to get the cheaper gloves and spend the difference on a ruby murray!

The problem with lairy coloured softs is that if you have 20 bats (which should be a minimum after a year on the forum) then you are going to get clashes between stickers and softs. If you have quite plain softs then you can take whichever bat from the collection and still look good getting a duck  ;)
You could go the other way and find the brightest gloves and pads you can (preferably in totally different colours) so no matter what bat you use you'd look like a peacock that got caught in a nuclear explosion  :D
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2016, 08:47:21 PM »

The softs are nice but seem, to me, fairly generic with little  to differentiate them from other brands that use the same supplier, other than the cost. Both glove models seem to be available else where at 20-35 quid cheaper

Personally I find the trend for plain all white sorts very boring and to my mind it seems quite a lazy design, the accountant in me thinks it's probably more a cost saving than fashion statement, having read Toms blogs about his time at Mongoose the idea of using all the bat range colours in the soft designs makes more sense from a branding point than minimal badges and monotone colouring.
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2016, 09:09:28 PM »

Where do I start?

Phantom is not a sticker brand! Do you call Kookaburra a sticker brand? Slazenger? Sure they don't make their bats, but they are so so much more, and the number of times I've read that has made me want to tear my hear out!

In reply to the claim they aren't different. Eh? Didn't you read my post. The carbon detailing, the extra split on the last two fingers, the u splits, the smaller top hat on the pads, the larger side wing on the pads etc etc. That seems very different!

I just find it interesting how everyone raved about the H4L custom range - which is an incredible range, and no one really mentioned the price there, despite them being MORE EXPENSIVE. That is what seems a little bit strange to me!

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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2016, 09:17:25 PM »

Where do I start?

Phantom is not a sticker brand! Do you call Kookaburra a sticker brand? Slazenger? Sure they don't make their bats, but they are so so much more, and the number of times I've read that has made me want to tear my hear out!
Can you elaborate on the "so so much more" is to the uninformed please?
And if you do tear your hair out we expect at least pictures, preferably a video!  ;)


In reply to the claim they aren't different. Eh? Didn't you read my post. The carbon detailing, the extra split on the last two fingers, the u splits, the smaller top hat on the pads, the larger side wing on the pads etc etc. That seems very different!
I think there is only so much you can change with gloves and pads. You did explain the differences, but a quick glance at any pair of gloves or pads and they'd look similar. The differences you listed are in the "micro detail" which isn't obviously apparent having just a quick look. We are all guilty on the forum of not reading posts, just looking at pictures and hitting reply, I think that's the case here.

I just find it interesting how everyone raved about the H4L custom range - which is an incredible range, and no one really mentioned the price there, despite them being MORE EXPENSIVE. That is what seems a little bit strange to me!
We are a strange bunch on here, I think anyone who spends any amount of time on here will vouch for that  :D
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2016, 09:24:30 PM »

Where do I start?

Phantom is not a sticker brand! Do you call Kookaburra a sticker brand? Slazenger? Sure they don't make their bats, but they are so so much more, and the number of times I've read that has made me want to tear my hear out!

In reply to the claim they aren't different. Eh? Didn't you read my post. The carbon detailing, the extra split on the last two fingers, the u splits, the smaller top hat on the pads, the larger side wing on the pads etc etc. That seems very different!

I just find it interesting how everyone raved about the H4L custom range - which is an incredible range, and no one really mentioned the price there, despite them being MORE EXPENSIVE. That is what seems a little bit strange to me!

I'm my mind they are a sticker brand. Kook is slightly different but again yes in essence I guess they are. I also didn't say this was a bad thing as they are honest about not making there own bats. But they are a brand that apply stickers to pre made bats. As has been asked I do wonder why they are so much more?

For the record I think the H4L prices for softs is mental as I do for GN legends, kook players etc as well.

Also this not a dig at you or IJC I would have said the same about any brand charging that amount for softs, my only justification was that if you make your own bats and have all the full costs associated with that I may consider the purchase but still would t spend that amount on softs.
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2016, 09:28:13 PM »

Ok I will elaborate.

The difference, we feel, between sticker uppers and a company like Phantom or Kooks, Slazenger is about control over the whole process.

We stocked sticker upper bats in the past - Mars, CP, Piri Piri etc. And they didn't have any control over the manufacturing process. They could request some very generic shapes and then have a huge batch made up, and simply sticker them up, as the name suggests.

However, Phantom has complete control. This is evidenced by the close working relationship with the bat maker, for example at short notice they produced a run of fuller Illusion bats, a change in shape mid season for a limited batch of only ten or so, which other companies could not do. They also offer fully custom bats, something which many sticker up brands simply cannot do.

Phantom designs everything about the bats, the stickers, chooses the grips, the shapes, absolutely everything. I don't see why because they don't make them they are intrinsically any worse, or worthy of less support, as has been suggested? Surely, having an established and world-renowned bat maker making the bats is only a good thing? Especially as Phantom are open about the whole thing.

My point being, they have control over everything. Literally the only thing they don't do is make the bats. And I don't think that's a bad thing whatsoever.

Yes, but they are micro details, which is proof that they are different from a lot of brands. Most brands like you said just get stock designs off softs manufacturers. Phantom don't. And I've given evidence of that.

Yes a strange, and I would say unfair, bunch we are. Just seems harsh to me to not even mention the price of other gloves, and rave about them, when a very similar, some would say better, glove comes on here and is cheaper. It seems some people have let their views about the brand sway their opinion of what are simply incredible softs!

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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2016, 09:38:30 PM »

Not that my opinion counts for much but I think, if there is a bias, it's more of a case of the majority on the forum (myself included) particularly loving H4L rather than particularly disliking Phantom, they are a sponsor of the forum and more members have had dealings, either directly or through someone like yourselves or Vitas, with H4L than they have with Phantom.

I for one think both ranges look class but are, like GN Legends etc. getting a bit mental on price now, but that is, as you said a reflection on the market as a whole.

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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2016, 09:38:55 PM »

I'm not a fan of the white H4L ones either, does that help? ;)
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