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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2016, 05:17:29 PM »

I just spotted this picture in the for sale section, I think I'll just leave it here...  ;)



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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2016, 05:28:30 PM »

I just spotted this picture in the for sale section, I think I'll just leave it here...  ;)








Must say they do look very similar just would like phantom to come up with something that was fresh to the market rather than copy everyone else
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #62 on: February 07, 2016, 05:34:55 PM »

Is there really anything different that can be done with softs? Most ideas have been done and when your to extreme or away from the norm. Every Mong will claim that they'll get sledged and have to cry themselves to sleep at night.


Put in the fact they've gone for a clean whit Elohim. They look like another 100 pair off gloves out there on the market. BORING!!
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #63 on: February 07, 2016, 05:46:42 PM »

Is there really anything different that can be done with softs? Most ideas have been done and when your to extreme or away from the norm. Every Mong will claim that they'll get sledged and have to cry themselves to sleep at night.


Put in the fact they've gone for a clean whit Elohim. They look like another 100 pair off gloves out there on the market. BORING!!


I do agree with what your saying but would like to see something new to the market rather than same as everyone else.affinity did it with using a bit of towel on the thumb of their gloves so you could wipe the sweat of just something different would be nice
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2016, 05:51:45 PM »

With softs making a new design means producing in the region of 15/20 pairs as samples to pin down the design and give the manufacturer the chance to perfect the design.

When we were with CCC and ordered 600 pairs of gloves in our new shark tooth design (something I came up with from scratch as part of my dissertation) only 2 people in the factory were capable of making them due to their skill level. This meant producing the 600 pairs between them took nearly 2 months based upon their daily production capacity.

With tweaking existing designs with the odd shape change in the top part etc to make them look aesthetically different to another it means "smaller" brands can piggy back off the back of the fact the manufacturer has already worked out any issues with the production process and your not having to pay for R&D work as part of it.

There's the possibility of being unique...its just comes at a cost.
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2016, 05:58:39 PM »

Im not particularly fussed on aesthetics, plainish white split fingers do me just fine. However something like the towelling on the affinitys is just ideal.

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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #66 on: February 07, 2016, 06:07:12 PM »

I get most of my softs from online stockist. Team placed big order. I got some sausage Dhoni gloves that are as good as anything I've tried on for £24 and today I used the unbranded splits that were £14. Was so impressed I'll likely use these now for matches


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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #67 on: February 07, 2016, 06:09:53 PM »




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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #68 on: February 07, 2016, 06:27:58 PM »




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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2016, 06:46:54 PM »

Brilliant. Got a pair of Ss pads 2 years back and still going strong at £30. Old gloves are still fine but as I was ordering for club at those prices I couldn't not. At £15 I was going to just net in them but might swap round now


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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2016, 01:50:06 PM »

Hello everybody!

It's been a while since I posted on here - been busy with other things as you might have noticed ;). I must admit, I have resisted replying to this thread before as this is after all a place to form and share opinions - so keep them coming.

Now, I have to say this is not intended to be a defensive post by any means (sometimes the written tone can come across that way). I am not adverse to a bit of criticism - however, most if not all of the much loved brands on the forum could be painted with the same brush when it comes to softs - but they're not!

The Salix gloves is an exact copy of the SS Gladiator from a few years back with a change in colour scheme - look it up!

These gloves also look familiar don't you think?!





That is not to say small brands don't experiment or try new things (I certainly do), but the majority go with a colour variations of existing designs as the running of a brand is pretty involved so doing development year on year means something has to give elsewhere. The rest is down to costs and timing. The logistics of releasing products (on this occasion delayed due to experimenting with new designs) means that the general public often get to see one product sooner than the other which contributes to the opinion they form about it (as well as their existing association with the other brand).

Innovation in this industry is virtually nonexistent, change is often reactive rather than proactive. Occasionally someone sticks their head above the parapet only for it to be shot at. Those willing to be different also have to accept the high chances of failure - now given the costs involved in R&D, that could potentially break a small brand. The majority of the market wants something familiar, the small proportion who don't are not usually worth the investment. The general public don't have an appreciation for the pitfalls and challenges when dealing with manufacturers abroad (some highlighted by Tom) - often the limitations are not in the minds of the brands, but the ability/ willingness of the manufacturer. In short, there is far more to this than meets the eye.

It may come as no surprise to some of you that (with the exception of some), small brands often talk to each other - they share experiences, tips, tricks, suppliers, etc etc. and are probably less concerned about brands sharing designs than the people on here. (despite his link to Affinity, Tom has been the voice of reason here).

Price will always be difficult to convince customers on but anyone making a comparison between buying an unseen, unbranded product direct from India versus being able to touch and feel a product at a local retail store simply does not understand the logistics involved. Customers are also willing to place a value on a trusted relationship with a retailer - as an example, customers place pre-orders for Phantom products through ItsJustCricket when they can just as easily do it through Phantom directly. Customers want to buy these products from local retailers and therefore the price point has to take into consideration a number of factors - not least that sometimes financial loss is difficult to predict (replacement of damaged items/ loss in transit/ theft). Financial investment and margin structures vary massively between suppliers and retailers too therefore comparisons are difficult.

Anyone who has attempted to do this before will know that starting a brand is the easy part, running a brand is demanding but the true test is in making a brand a successful and viable business. I have the utmost respect for all brands but in particular small successful brands - their challenge is not just the big brands but also the perceptions of customers who often only see a fraction of the effort that has gone into getting a product on a shelf.

Phantom have only just started on this journey and we are most certainly not claiming to know it all or be better than anyone else.


Thanks for reading.
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2016, 02:05:51 PM »

Hello everybody!

It's been a while since I posted on here - been busy with other things as you might have noticed ;). I must admit, I have resisted replying to this thread before as this is after all a place to form and share opinions - so keep them coming.

Now, I have to say this is not intended to be a defensive post by any means (sometimes the written tone can come across that way). I am not adverse to a bit of criticism - however, most if not all of the much loved brands on the forum could be painted with the same brush when it comes to softs - but they're not!

The Salix gloves is an exact copy of the SS Gladiator from a few years back with a change in colour scheme - look it up!

These gloves also look familiar don't you think?!





That is not to say small brands don't experiment or try new things (I certainly do), but the majority go with a colour variations of existing designs as the running of a brand is pretty involved so doing development year on year means something has to give elsewhere. The rest is down to costs and timing. The logistics of releasing products (on this occasion delayed due to experimenting with new designs) means that the general public often get to see one product sooner than the other which contributes to the opinion they form about it (as well as their existing association with the other brand).

Innovation in this industry is virtually nonexistent, change is often reactive rather than proactive. Occasionally someone sticks their head above the parapet only for it to be shot at. Those willing to be different also have to accept the high chances of failure - now given the costs involved in R&D, that could potentially break a small brand. The majority of the market wants something familiar, the small proportion who don't are not usually worth the investment. The general public don't have an appreciation for the pitfalls and challenges when dealing with manufacturers abroad (some highlighted by Tom) - often the limitations are not in the minds of the brands, but the ability/ willingness of the manufacturer. In short, there is far more to this than meets the eye.

It may come as no surprise to some of you that (with the exception of some), small brands often talk to each other - they share experiences, tips, tricks, suppliers, etc etc. and are probably less concerned about brands sharing designs than the people on here. (despite his link to Affinity, Tom has been the voice of reason here).

Price will always be difficult to convince customers on but anyone making a comparison between buying an unseen, unbranded product direct from India versus being able to touch and feel a product at a local retail store simply does not understand the logistics involved. Customers are also willing to place a value on a trusted relationship with a retailer - as an example, customers place pre-orders for Phantom products through ItsJustCricket when they can just as easily do it through Phantom directly. Customers want to buy these products from local retailers and therefore the price point has to take into consideration a number of factors - not least that sometimes financial loss is difficult to predict (replacement of damaged items/ loss in transit/ theft). Financial investment and margin structures vary massively between suppliers and retailers too therefore comparisons are difficult.

Anyone who has attempted to do this before will know that starting a brand is the easy part, running a brand is demanding but the true test is in making a brand a successful and viable business. I have the utmost respect for all brands but in particular small successful brands - their challenge is not just the big brands but also the perceptions of customers who often only see a fraction of the effort that has gone into getting a product on a shelf.

Phantom have only just started on this journey and we are most certainly not claiming to know it all or be better than anyone else.


Thanks for reading.


Wow thanks for the calm and measured response
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2016, 02:38:12 PM »

Like the design, I'd choose these over any of the mainstream brands. Good luck with the business
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2016, 04:07:19 PM »

Decent response, I think the design similarity business has got blown up a little. Price was the main sticking point for me personally, but it seems Phantom gloves aren't exactly unique on that! What gloves are those Pumas supposed to be similar to? Discontinued range anyway I'm pretty sure.
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Re: 2016 Phantom Softs
« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2016, 04:57:32 PM »

Edge, I can't give too much away, but think of a much loved range this year, an English company who supposedly designs their own softs!

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