Topic: "Pro-Bats" (Read 11748 times)

CrickFreak · « **Reply #15 on:** February 01, 2016, 05:21:59 PM »

Quote from: mad_abt_cricket on February 01, 2016, 04:48:00 PM

It doesn't matter how we name it, whether pro or players, for me in the past one year there has been a spike with some incredibly big bats for the weights available not only for pro players but also to the end users.
50 mm edge with weight around 2.10 was unheard of. Now 40 - 45 mm is getting common that too without concaving for a decent weight bat.
Would love to know from forum experts/ bat manufacturers like B3 what exactly changed which has led to such big bats. Is this a sudden spurge of light weight clefts available in this period or there has been a change in the technology.

Somewhere i read the drying technique has changed. older drying method used to leave lot of moisture in center which is not the case with newer method.
I have not seen it nor i am expert but makes sense somewhat.

ppccopener · « **Reply #16 on:** February 01, 2016, 05:30:32 PM »

Quote from: CrickFreak on February 01, 2016, 05:21:59 PM

Somewhere i read the drying technique has changed. older drying method used to leave lot of moisture in center which is not the case with newer method.
I have not seen it nor i am expert but makes sense somewhat.

the expectation also about how long you expect your bat to last also has changed, think about your own bat, what do you realistically expect?

and let's be totally honest....much as I personally don't like the massive over dried bats today for �500, if I was offered a bit of extra performance but I would only get 2 years out of it........I'd be tempted....because you want every advantage you can get....

procricket · « **Reply #17 on:** February 01, 2016, 05:33:02 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on February 01, 2016, 04:51:41 PM

^ The lumber sellers are (probably) cutting the clefts differently resulting in bigger clefts /fewer clefts per tree. Smaller clefts meant more clefts per tree hence more bats for the bat manufacturers.

Incorrect the size are the same from the biggest sellers Js Wrights remains the same and oversized from a few others also have always been around just maybe the forum sees a few more.

I did a experiment the other day many people in this forum lie about edge size of there bats too.

You can map any bat from the side I did a experiment the other day and low and behold plus 40mm edge bat turned out to be sub 40.

Drying has not changed either content is mositure is the same it ever been from us I can't speak for others though.

GN cut there own trees so get what they want

edge · « **Reply #18 on:** February 01, 2016, 05:33:42 PM »

Quite apart from the drying techniques, big bats = fashion. Normal size bats at 2.7 have been around for years and used to be the height of cool as I remember! Makes sense to me that if you can make a 35mm edge/60mm spine bat at 2.7 then a massive edge 2.11 bat of the current trend type isn't much different, just the trends have changed - if consumers want massive edges instead of super light bats now then that's going to be what the manufacturers will use those clefts for.

procricket · « **Reply #19 on:** February 01, 2016, 05:36:12 PM »

Quote from: edge on February 01, 2016, 05:33:42 PM

Quite apart from the drying techniques, big bats = fashion. Normal size bats at 2.7 have been around for years and used to be the height of cool as I remember! Makes sense to me that if you can make a 35mm edge/60mm spine bat at 2.7 then a massive edge 2.11 bat of the current trend type isn't much different, just the trends have changed - if consumers want massive edges instead of super light bats now then that's going to be what the manufacturers will use those clefts for.

bingo

mad_abt_cricket · « **Reply #20 on:** February 01, 2016, 06:48:00 PM »

umm.. still not convinced.. earlier bigger edges were a compromise with amount of concaving / spine height. Recent bats I have seen are with a decent spine height/ massive edges and virtually no concaving.
There is only a difference of 113 gms between a 2.7 and 2.11 bat but here we are talking about almost double the edge size with a good spine height and no concaving. All these bats are standard SH and normal width so I am really curious to know how can a 2.11 bat can be made with 50 mm edge and 60 mm spine from a standard cleft. It doesn't matter how the cleft is cut as bigger the cleft means bigger the weight.

procricket · « **Reply #21 on:** February 01, 2016, 07:00:55 PM »

Quote from: mad_abt_cricket on February 01, 2016, 06:48:00 PM

umm.. still not convinced.. earlier bigger edges were a compromise with amount of concaving / spine height. Recent bats I have seen are with a decent spine height/ massive edges and virtually no concaving.
There is only a difference of 113 gms between a 2.7 and 2.11 bat but here we are talking about almost double the edge size with a good spine height and no concaving. All these bats are standard SH and normal width so I am really curious to know how can a 2.11 bat can be made with 50 mm edge and 60 mm spine from a standard cleft. It doesn't matter how the cleft is cut as bigger the cleft means bigger the weight.

You can't get 50mm out of a standard cleft not possible with pressing you struggle to get above 42mm from a standard.

Where are all these bats with 50mm edges at 2-11 I don't see many on sale at all if any

ppccopener · « **Reply #22 on:** February 01, 2016, 07:01:37 PM »

Quote from: mad_abt_cricket on February 01, 2016, 06:48:00 PM

umm.. still not convinced.. earlier bigger edges were a compromise with amount of concaving / spine height. Recent bats I have seen are with a decent spine height/ massive edges and virtually no concaving.
There is only a difference of 113 gms between a 2.7 and 2.11 bat but here we are talking about almost double the edge size with a good spine height and no concaving. All these bats are standard SH and normal width so I am really curious to know how can a 2.11 bat can be made with 50 mm edge and 60 mm spine from a standard cleft. It doesn't matter how the cleft is cut as bigger the cleft means bigger the weight.

Well there's at least two of us then! I don't get this either...previously I've been told you occasionally get a very light cleft naturally and so a small amount of bats could be made with very large profiles but without the huge concaving of a couple of years ago...

ppccopener · « **Reply #23 on:** February 01, 2016, 07:05:58 PM »

Quote from: procricket B3 on February 01, 2016, 07:00:55 PM

You can't get 50mm out of a standard cleft not possible with pressing you struggle to get above 42mm from a standard.

Where are all these bats with 50mm edges at 2-11 I don't see many on sale at all if any

Edge size has changed at lot thou hasn't it? 25 or 30 MM. edges was considered fairly big and now it's being pushed to 40mm -still at a reasonable weight... Is this right?

bostoncricketer · « **Reply #24 on:** February 01, 2016, 07:07:33 PM »

Quote from: Cover_Drive on February 01, 2016, 05:07:25 PM

I agree with everyone, however, don't you notice that the number of pro-reject/bats/gift has drastically increased?

Could this be because pros are consuming more bats than they used to leading to more rejects? Older bats used to last longer so pros needed less bats per year??

procricket · « **Reply #25 on:** February 01, 2016, 07:09:41 PM »

So show me where I can buy a 2-11 full profile bat at 50mm edge and 60mm spine

I have taken a 350 standard cleft and can tell you most you can get is 40mm with a 67mm full profile you could if plained and very lightly pressed get edge I think to 42mm but reduce spine that is for 2-8 bat

So potentially with oversized I could move the extra 7mm on the spine and move to the edge so I could potentially get a 45-47mm edge with around 60mm spine.

Only other way is over drying as 350 is nearly as low as it goes

Or if you wanted around 2-14 just cut the handle in and use it as a cleft but a pressed normal cleft from js wrights will not produce much more than 42mm edge

Could not care if your convinced or not that's the truth behind it.

Yes oversized clefts can produce bigger bats as you can get bigger spine/edged or both but standard clefts can not produce the big bats

Now over drying bats is not something b3 or I suspect any uk maker will do as in the past I have ran experiments and got my bats down to around 6 per cent and the longevity is massively changed

CrickFreak · « **Reply #26 on:** February 01, 2016, 07:26:20 PM »

Everyone is producing bats with fuller profile, 35-40 mm edges, ~60 mm spine, not just the asian brands...
Something has definitely changed. Either the batmaking technology, drying or the clefts itself. the bats were never so big just around 10 years ago. Even SRT's 3lb bat he used in early 90s was half the size.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #27 on:** February 01, 2016, 07:30:11 PM »

Quote from: procricket B3 on February 01, 2016, 05:33:02 PM

Incorrect the size are the same from the biggest sellers Js Wrights remains the same and oversized from a few others also have always been around just maybe the forum sees a few more.

I did a experiment the other day many people in this forum lie about edge size of there bats too.

You can map any bat from the side I did a experiment the other day and low and behold plus 40mm edge bat turned out to be sub 40.

Drying has not changed either content is mositure is the same it ever been from us I can't speak for others though.

GN cut there own trees so get what they want

So what is the source of the larger clefts? Larger than usual/normal tree trunks?

Regarding GN, my Gray-Nicolls Warner bat has a 53mm edge. It is also "pressed". How is their cleft (other than size) different than JS Wright?

smilley792 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 01, 2016, 07:33:42 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on February 01, 2016, 07:30:11 PM

So what is the source of the larger clefts? Larger than usual/normal tree trunks?

Regarding GN, my Gray-Nicolls Warner bat has a 53mm edge. It is also "pressed". How is their cleft (other than size) different than JS Wright?

Js wright sell clefts only. That's there business.

They cut a tree and cleft it into say 6 pieces down the tree. Get as many clefts as they can to sell.

Gray nicolls grow and cut there own tree, selling bats is there business. Majority will be cut into 6 pieces, but the odd tree cut into 4 pieces to give a larger cleft to work with to give larger edges and spine on those bats certain bats.

Some bats designs and kids designs don't need a larger cleft, hence all not being oversized.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #29 on:** February 01, 2016, 07:37:38 PM »

Quote from: smilley792 on February 01, 2016, 07:33:42 PM

Js wright sell clefts only. That's there business.

They cut a tree and cleft it into say 6 pieces down the tree. Get as many clefts as they can to sell.

Gray nicolls grow and cut there own tree, selling bats is there business. Majority will be cut into 6 pieces, but the odd tree cut into 4 pieces to give a larger cleft to work with to give larger edges and spine on those bats certain bats.

Some bats designs and kids designs don't need a larger cleft, hence all not being oversized.

That was my original point as well - larger clefts are a result of fewer slices of the wood and that the lumberers like JSWright just produce standard sized clefts that maximize their numbers and hence profits. Big sized clefts result in fewer clefts of the same tree.

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