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David Willey

[procricket]

I was assuming dave had been looking up stats so would know a rough stats driven order

ali
willey
stokes
jordan
bopara
wright

who else have england played in the last year or three??

No pal not looking up much not a stat driven man just thought stokes doesn't do much in t20 and thought Jordan get grief so did look at them too.

[ProCricketer1982]

I'll post in this order

Batting avg:
Batting SR:

Bowling Econ:

rashid

Batting avg: 8
Batting SR:72.72

Bowling Econ: 7.80

WIlley

Batting avg: 13.33
Batting SR: 121.21

Bowling Econ: 9.00

ali

Batting avg: 15.50
Batting SR: 118.47

Bowling Econ: 7.96

jordan

Batting avg: 14.50
Batting SR: 119.58

Bowling Econ: 8.91

stokes

Batting avg: 13.66
Batting SR: 143.02

Bowling Econ: 9.63

bopara

Batting avg: 28.44
Batting SR: 118.69

Bowling Econ: 7.21

wright

Batting avg: 18.97
Batting SR: 137

Bowling Econ: 8.45

[Aussie In England]

Ben Stokes isn't anyway near great in any format of cricket. His Test record is of a middling all rounder. Average 33 with bat and 38 with ball. Nothing to sing and dance about. His limited overs record is pants in both ODI and T20. Stokes' batting is fine on flat true batting pitches. He has got a clue how to bat when he can't just put his foot down the wicket and slog across the line relentlessly. Had it not been for his brittle back Corey Anderson would be the premier all rounder in all formats.

[ProCricketer1982]

Well if you really want to go there, Kallis doesn't belong in the 'great allrounder' category Not that that's a slight on him mind, there's only been about 3 of those.

whose your 3 then?

Kallis is up there

[northernboy1987]

whose your 3 then?

Kallis is up there

Presuming he's going for the 3 classic 80's all rounders, Botham, Hadlee and Dev?

[procricket]

what about wickets Adrian that tells me more than runs per over

[procricket]

Presuming he's going for the 3 classic 80's all rounders, Botham, Hadlee and Imran?

Kapil would not like that

[northernboy1987]

Kapil would not like that

Getting myself confused pal, I meant Dev! Have altered the post! Although Imran Kahn would be in with a shout as well like, top player!

[edge]

whose your 3 then?

Kallis is up there

Great allrounder has to make the team for either batting or bowling and wim matches with either, Kallis never bowled enough to be a serious bowling proposition. Probably the best batsman who could bowl, but if he's an all-round great then Akram or Shaun Pollock are too, for example.

Only 3 genuines who had decent length careers and enough success to be considered great - Sobers, Botham, Khan. All would still have got picked if they miraculously lost their ability to either bat or bowl overnight.

[edge]

Getting myself confused pal, I meant Dev! Have altered the post! Although Imran Kahn would be in with a shout as well like, top player!

Honorable mention to Dev, but I'd say it's fairly universally agreed he wasn't quite up there with the others.

[ProCricketer1982]

what about wickets Adrian that tells me more than runs per over

RPO is pretty key in 2020 and white ball cricket so I put that in.. could put wickets and SR I suppose

[procricket]

RPO is pretty key in 2020 and white ball cricket so I put that in.. could put wickets and SR I suppose

Mate no disrespect but wickets tend to win games and wickets early I have quite a bit of experience at a decent level at it cheers.

I have played quite a bit of white ball cricket cheers

[northernboy1987]

Great allrounder has to make the team for either batting or bowling and wim matches with either, Kallis never bowled enough to be a serious bowling proposition. Probably the best batsman who could bowl, but if he's an all-round great then Akram or Shaun Pollock are too, for example.

Only 3 genuines who had decent length careers and enough success to be considered great - Sobers, Botham, Khan. All would still have got picked if they miraculously lost their ability to either bat or bowl overnight.

Nigh on 300 test wickets at 30 and 13,000+ runs at 55! I don't understand why Kallis isn't exalted as a legend, his stats more than back it up imo. Is it because he wasn't as "exciting" to watch as Botham et al?

[Aussie In England]

Richard Hadlee was probably the 'weakest' of the 4 all rounders in the 1980s. Hadlee was by far the best bowler but his batting was considerably below the other three. Khan started off as a rapid pace bowler. Then a back injury made him develop his batting. IIRC he averaged over 50 in the second half of his Test career with the bat. Dev was the only world class fast bowler the Indians had during his career. His stats don't look as impressive as the others but there was a time when India played 3 spinners in any conditions and that left Dev breaking his shoulder carrying the fast bowling burden. Botham was probably the best in true of all rounder but he suffered the most when his powers slid.