Topic: Pressing!!! (Read 9163 times)

SAF Bats · « **on:** January 08, 2010, 11:09:42 AM »

We hear a lot of people say ping is great off the mallet, lovely ping etc etc. That is down to the pressing more then anything else.

So todays question! What is your pressing preference and or which bat do you think had the best pressing?

SillyShilly · « **Reply #1 on:** January 08, 2010, 11:20:08 AM »

...stands up and clears his throat and turns his attention to the teacher.....
"I think this is a very difficult question to answer straight up - it's quite hard to tell what type of pressing the bat has had because density of the willow plays an important role in determining how the bat can be pressed. Performance wise i would be looking for an ultra light bit of willow, however this may compromise the type of pressing as it may not be able to take a harder pressing and therefore may only be presssed soft........swings and roundabout i'd imagine.
This is purely speculation on my part - i've watched tim do a few but no other batmaker, be interesting to see the variations in the press
I would want my toe pressed though (i.e. not stupid bow)

I also prefer a middle ground between longevity and perfromance - what type of pressing would this require sir?"

yvk3103 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2010, 11:34:21 AM »

Firstly, Norb thanks for creating such great topics. This is what the forum should be about - learning. Hope this topic does not end in a cat and a dog fight like other topics have.

For a layman it is very difficult to say want kind of pressing they want on their bat or how should a particular willow should be pressed. Some may feel that a softly pressed willow will give better performance and others feel a harder pressed willow will deliver better performance.

I think the end users should only be concerned with the performance of the bat and the decision on the pressing should be left to the batmakers.

I feel a huge majority of the end users will not have any clue as to how they can differentiate between a normal density cleft and a low density cleft let alone what pressing will result in the best performance or a balance between performance and longevity. Needless to say over pressing would probably reduce the size of the sweet spot.

Each willow will require individual attention. However, given the demand and supply issues not many batmakers are in a position to give individual attention to each cleft as it a very time consuming process and not many trained and expert hands available to do so.

IMO the best pressing would be Newbery, Warsop, Salix and Screaming Cat. Most of the brands from the subcontinent area hit or a miss pressing....except for custom made bats from the likes of SS, SG and a few others for which even they charge �200+.

Norb, if feel that the pressing of the willow and the kind of handle that get put would decide the performance of the bat.

SAF Bats · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2010, 11:51:16 AM »

I guessed it would be a difficult question to answer so I added the which bat had the best pressing bit at the end...

I have seen people say soft pressing which is a bit of a misnomer really... As for the actual pressing it is dependant on the willow itself.. For longevity you'd press a little bit harder, for performance you'd want to get an optimum based on the willow I do it based on sound. Bowing can be achieved with a good toe but you cant just bow it

So which bats had the best pressing / ping from the outset maybe an easier one to answer

edit: Yash, Cat and dog fight well I added to that a bit myself last time by disagreeing with an opinion in an antagonizing way!

SillyShilly · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2010, 11:54:59 AM »

I have to say that my m&h harlequin from about 7 years ago absolutely flew from day one - my new talisman storm also pings well and i have a feeling this year it will be even better. These are the two that stand out for me.

Mr Cricket · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2010, 12:00:39 PM »

A middle ground between durability and instant performance would be ideal for anyone i suppose (exept for professionals and sponsored players who do need need to worry about durability)

I have found Gunn and Moore bats to be the best match to my personal preference, my old Duellist 808 took a little longer to play in, but when it reached its optimum performance level it was a good enough bat in terms of ping (i hate the word ping!) to match a bat from the top of any range.

The top and bottom of it is that at a non professional level, a person will want a bat to last about 2 seasons, sometimes more. So for me that balence of ping(cringe) and performance is crucial... since i am an absolute idiot with my money (always wanting the lastest gear, knowing its probably just the same as the stuff i have alread got!) i probably err more on the side of ping(cringe) as i am willing to buy a new bat more regularly than others

SAF Bats · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2010, 12:01:18 PM »

one of my Lavers was great one needed playing in a bit as it was a bit soft....

My guilty pleasure was a Slaz V200 wonderfully pressed bat for �60

But I'd have to says Nipper was phenomenal

Mr Cricket - coefficient of restitution is a techie term for bouncability if you don't like ping :-)

SillyShilly · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2010, 12:07:24 PM »

Agreed, Nippers got is spot on, i have one of his knocked in and ready to go for the next season.......could be a good one for me!

SillyShilly · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2010, 12:08:19 PM »

Coefficient of Restitution (COR from mongoose by any chance?)

SAF Bats · « **Reply #9 on:** January 08, 2010, 12:12:05 PM »

I could be a bit Talisman-ish here but who knows how there mind works at mongoose, maybe that is what it stands for

yvk3103 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 08, 2010, 12:15:10 PM »

Hi Norb,

I mentioned about the fight as sometimes people make personal attacks on others or make a joke of those who may not have the good fortune of having acquired as much knowledge as them. My comment was not targeted towards you or any other individual, but was a general observation/comment as we all tread the fine line between discussing and arguing either knowingly or unknowingly.

I believe that this forum is a place to have fun, learn, sell and get good bargains without the hassles of ebay.

The best bats that I have had which either played or promised to play well are:

1. Screaming Cat (played really well from the word go)
2. Warsop (needed a bit of playing-in, but after that it went like a gun)
3. Newbery (Uzi c6 i bought from Asad, needed a bit of playing-in)
4. SS Custom (great ping, but I feel will peak with a bit of knocking-in and use)
5. BAS Blaster I had in 2008 (played well from the very beginning. think swaped it with Mike)
6. GM ICon LE - but would need a bit of playing-in before it reaches its true potential

SillyShilly · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2010, 12:19:13 PM »

More i think about it the more it makes sense - mmi and cor are both abbreviations - codrington probably read the article published on why the bats provide more power (never used one so cannot comment), saw the abbreviations used in it and thought that hey, this sounds revolutionary and techhie - but i could be way off the mark.
(This is not a dig aimed at mongoose Tom, just my musings)

Sorry for the off topic comments - back to pressing, have you thought up any different approaches to pressing a bat - besides the traditional heavy roller over the bat?

SAF Bats · « **Reply #12 on:** January 08, 2010, 12:29:07 PM »

Yash agreed we all have days when arguing is better then discussing :-)

SillyShilly - yep agreed if MMI is Mass Moment [movement] of Inertia and it stands to reason that CoR will be Coefficient of Restitution

Not sure if the CoR bat has an article associated to it like the MMi though or there are any claims against it like the MMi

Those bats that have needed a bit of playing in are you happy with that or would you have prefered to knock in and go?

SillyShilly · « **Reply #13 on:** January 08, 2010, 12:35:24 PM »

i would imagine that most people (myself included) would like a bat that you knock in a bit and off you go with it COR'ing all over the place - instant gratification.

SAF Bats · « **Reply #14 on:** January 08, 2010, 12:43:33 PM »

Pay and play or P'n'P [trademark pending] some bats are Pay and Display mind you....

Some of the ones needing a few runs putting on them after knocking-in have had a soft-ish pressing. The hammering alone isn't forceful enough to get the blade ready so you actually need to start tw*ting a few balls in the nets to get it ready

PS: I just net my [bats I've bought] bats

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