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[ProCricketer1982]

White ball cricket showing its face yet again.. Too much biffing in this side and not enough proper batsmen.

Moeen is just awful yet again, no defence for that shot and needs to be sent packing from the set up

[smilley792]

Moeen is surely coming to end of his test run??

His bowling is not improving, and his batting is dropping ridicolously quick.


This is a test match, we need 144 to win, surely as a number 7 who wants to be higher up the order you've got to think "right I'm gonna get a red ink and knock this off tomorrow. Show I should be up there ahead of Vince/balance"

But instead he thinks "charge"



Ballance our best batsmen so far this innings, who'd have though that.

[edge]

Much as this will annoy @ProCricketer1982 , at what point do England accept that we're getting bowled out sooner rather than later and try and hit the runs as quickly as possible? One more wicket down and they go for it? Don't see Broad and the rest lasting long out there against this bowling.

More nails going into the coffin of Moeen's test career by the game...

[alexhilly1492]

Pakistan havn't won this game, England have lost it! Poor poor batting performance, moeen need to be dropped, but for who? Borthwick?

Hales root and Vince played poor shots

Cook and balance were actually got out!

Cannot believe we've been this poor today!

[ProCricketer1982]

Pakistan havn't won this game, England have lost it! Poor poor batting performance, moeen need to be dropped, but for who? Borthwick?

Hales root and Vince played poor shots

Cook and balance were actually got out!

Cannot believe we've been this poor today!

Sadly, as we can tell by most on this forum.. No one is honest enough to speak out against the media led stuff about how great this team is, how young... What a brand of cricket.

It's not very good and the fact it's won some games has been more down to world cricket being poor than England being good. No sensible test cricket person has ever thought root was top three quality.. Hales as opener!?!? Etc etc

We are fed all sorts of crap and people believe it. Just go through this forum and people will Rubbish that this team has got white ball players rather than test batsmen.

England should still win from here but that will merely, yet again paper over the actual fact this team isn't fit for test cricket

[ProCricketer1982]

Much as this will annoy @ProCricketer1982 , at what point do England accept that we're getting bowled out sooner rather than later and try and hit the runs as quickly as possible? One more wicket down and they go for it? Don't see Broad and the rest lasting long out there against this bowling.

More nails going into the coffin of Moeen's test career by the game...

England still have supposed 'test' batsmen, no point slogging until the tails in unless it's your natural game and you'd play that way regardless . It's test cricket, not white ball. Just bat time and stop playing silly one day shots

[edge]

In fairness, Hales is the only player I can think of in this team who's better in limited overs than tests? Root, Woakes and Ali are the only other ones who even regularly make the ODI side. Finn I suppose, but he's a pure bowler. Moeen's not very good, but then he's also not very good for England in limited overs! Who are the white ball batsmen causing us problems, Hales/Vince? Only two blokes really.

Think you're being a bit harsh tbh mate, England are only a few spots sorting themselves out away from being a very good test side indeed. Reserving judgement on Hales still, could do with picking a proper no 3, sort the keeping out and have one of the candidates for no5 come good and we're looking good I think. Oh and find a bloody spinner.

[smilley792]

It would be interesting to see what a "test xi" would be?

[GoodLeave]

It would be interesting to see what a "test xi" would be?

Criteria:

Have you ever played an expansive shot? If yes, you can't play.

Struggling to put an England side together under those circumstances.

India Test XI: Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid. 12th man: Dravid. Umpire: Dravid. Scorer: Dravid. Teas: Dravid

[InternalTraining]

Oh some excitement with an appeal.  Waokes survives.

[edge]

India Test XI: Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid, Dravid. 12th man: Dravid. Umpire: Dravid. Scorer: Dravid. Teas: Dravid

Hell of a side!

[GoodLeave]

Hell of a side!

Absoloutly.

Teas would take forever too, but they'd be well worth waiting for!

This is like death by a thousand needles. Engrossing, but hard to watch!

[smilley792]

Play straight JB!


Broad Finn and ball left, I doubt this will last tonight now. Broad will be sweeping and swashbuckling from the off.

[ppccopener]

Is that the gamme changer...top effort from bairstow but still a lot of runs to get

[smilley792]

All over. Was hoping a quick fire 30 would get the Pakistanis twitching.  But nothing. Big Yorker