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[CrickFreak]

Tests are ending early due to lesser skilled batsmen though, aka they are just playing white ball style and so scoring quickly but can't last long. That's not test cricket

Not entirely true. This style of aggressive batting in test matches existed in 80s and 90s, mostly played by West Indians and Aussies. They scored between 3-3.5 per over which is what we see now. And whats wrong with aggressive limited over style batting in test matches if we can get a result, better than a draw where each team bats for 2 days and scores 500+.

[Sitonit]

The Shortest Boundary At Trent Bridge In Nottingham And Eden Park In Auckland Are 65 metres And They Sit Right On The Edge Of The Stands As It Is. So Straight Away Their Ruled Out From International Cricket And They Wouldn't Be The Only Ones If The Boundary Minimum Is Set To 80-85metres.

So be it!
ICC generates 100 and millions of dollars every year.
They should partner with such cricket boards/grounds and remove the front rows to push back the boundary line IF the ground administration wants it to be qualified for international cricket.

[Sitonit]

I think cbf is the real loser here.


Threads will no longer be replied to in awe with phrases of "wow that massive for the weight" "what a monster" "50mm edge and no concaving seriously"

They will be replaced with.

"Yes, That looks within limits at a legal weight" "well done on purchasing a bat that looks like all the rest"

Probably there will be some awes and shocks.
Something like, "wow!! 35 mm edges and 60 spine with no concaving, long blade and long handle with 3 grips at 1lbs 2oz ??"

[ProCricketer1982]

Not entirely true. This style of aggressive batting in test matches existed in 80s and 90s, mostly played by West Indians and Aussies. They scored between 3-3.5 per over which is what we see now. And whats wrong with aggressive limited over style batting in test matches if we can get a result, better than a draw where each team bats for 2 days and scores 500+.

Limited overs batting isn't test batting! Otherwise what is the point of different formats ? If you want see fast scoring on flat roads watch white ball.. If you want to see skilled batting against testing conditions then watch tests. Currently you barely notice a difference.

2020 is amateurs white ball biff and tickle and it's 50 over stuff should be where you have to earn it, both with bat and ball. 50 over with all the silly fielding restrictions, win/lose has removed so much from the game, you simply barely need a bowling attack in win/lose.. Just the ability bat deep and smash 300+ to win games., can't do that with draw cricket as you'd never win a game

[GoodLeave]

So be it!
ICC generates 100 and millions of dollars every year.
They should partner with such cricket boards/grounds and remove the front rows to push back the boundary line IF the ground administration wants it to be qualified for international cricket.

Good idea. Very few grounds around the world are 100% full all of the time. Take the seats out, make it look/feel fuller. Better atmosphere that way.

[GoldenArm]

https://mobile.twitter.com/BASVAMPIREUK/status/779579981022236676

Just spotted this, have bat makers on here received this too? Looks like they're testing the water to make this official. I'm intrigued. what will your replies to the MCC be? I think they're being a bit stingy on the edges personally! 35mm, tight gits!

[Number 11]

Some interesting replies and notions going on here.
One thought might be to uncover the pitches, let the weather on them and see who has the skill to cope.
At my level, I've seen a few good batsmen come a cropper playing on uncovered council run pitches.

[GoodLeave]

I'm no scientist or bat expert.

But if you have a bat with 50mm edges and 50mm spine, shots off the edge will go far but shots out of the middle will be hampered by the lack of mass behind the ball.

Conversely:

If you have a bat with 20mm edges and a 70mm spine, shots of the edge of the bat will be weak, but shots out of the middle will go much further due to the mass being behind the ball?

I.e after you've played 10 shots, middled 5 and edged 5, you've hit the ball the same distance?

Therefore, talented batsmen choose the big spine, less talented (Moi) chose the big edge. I'm surprised the boffins at ICL found that big edges mean the ball always goes further. The skeptic in me wonders if years of experience is not as valuable than someone with a degree who's never played. Maybe it's just because I love BIG BATS.

[The Doctor]

I'm surprised the boffins at ICL found that big edges mean the ball always goes further.

that is precisely the point - the boffins at the ICC / MCC haven't and have relied on ex players shoe horning this in. There was one paper commissioned, that to be honest my 8 year old could have written and was never published in any scientific journal, I am guessing for its lack of scientific justification.

The leaked paper in this thread looks very amateurish - and my guess a fake. I still believe that the ICC/MCC will come to their senses and see that there are more effective ways to re address the balance, many of which have been mentioned on here.

Ball manufacture would be the main one that I would look at, in conjunction with fielding restrictions and boundary distance.

The only reason this has gone so far is the progression of TV and super slow mo's showing where the ball actually hits the blade. Who's to say that all of Botham's big hits where from the middle..... Oh because we cant.

If I were a modern day professional player, that trains in the gym 5 - 6 times a week, practices/develops an array of  shots in the nets to given themselves an advantage - I would be utterly p1ssed with the likes of Pontin et al  justifying the bats mens dominance by the size of his bat.

This gets me mad - hopefully the governing bodies will look to justify any new law with science rather than hearsay from ill informed ex pro's.

Rant over

[jamferg]

if this becomes  MCC Law will it be applicable to first class bats or all bats manufactured?

[Tom]

All the MCC related stuff goes in this journal @The Doctor

https://us.sagepub.com/en-us/nam/journal/proceedings-institution-mechanical-engineers-part-p-journal-sports-engineering-and

[The Doctor]

All the MCC related stuff goes in this journal @The Doctor

https://us.sagepub.com/en-us/nam/journal/proceedings-institution-mechanical-engineers-part-p-journal-sports-engineering-and

Good Stuff - would like to read the articles that have been published - have you a link?

[GoldenArm]

that is precisely the point - the boffins at the ICC / MCC haven't and have relied on ex players shoe horning this in. There was one paper commissioned, that to be honest my 8 year old could have written and was never published in any scientific journal, I am guessing for its lack of scientific justification.

The leaked paper in this thread looks very amateurish - and my guess a fake. I still believe that the ICC/MCC will come to their senses and see that there are more effective ways to re address the balance, many of which have been mentioned on here.

Ball manufacture would be the main one that I would look at, in conjunction with fielding restrictions and boundary distance.

The only reason this has gone so far is the progression of TV and super slow mo's showing where the ball actually hits the blade. Who's to say that all of Botham's big hits where from the middle..... Oh because we cant.

If I were a modern day professional player, that trains in the gym 5 - 6 times a week, practices/develops an array of  shots in the nets to given themselves an advantage - I would be utterly p1ssed with the likes of Pontin et al  justifying the bats mens dominance by the size of his bat.

This gets me mad - hopefully the governing bodies will look to justify any new law with science rather than hearsay from ill informed ex pro's.

Rant over

We can only hope they do have a good long rethink of their approach, my question is this though: why are BAS tweeting photos of a fake email from the MCC?!

[SteffanLangholz]

Just saw this on AOC. DO you think his bat would fit within the regulations? Looks mighty close!

http://www.alloutcricket.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/106943643-e1475074397275.jpg

[Vitas Cricket]

I agree with everything @The Doctor  said, and would add that in modern one day cricket, the ball never gets soft as its never more than 25 overs old due to a new ball being used from each end.

Every batmaker i have spoken to says this is nonsense, but in a tongue in cheek way have declared it a brilliant idea, it will make their lives easier as they won't be required to produce huge bats, of course most of time people still expect them at lighter weights which is extremely difficult. My latest reference on this point that made chuckle is the guy on the forum asking about the Warner replica laminates that B&S have, and whether any were 2'8....

Just to add the document from the MCC is genuine, it had been left on the trade display stand of every batmaker who attended the Lords show.