Topic: Bat Shapes (Read 14429 times)

400notout · « **Reply #15 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:13:04 PM »

Wow thats some really interesting shapes! 3 is a really nice shape similar to the jumbo, that isn't one made by yourself though?

SillyShilly · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:21:34 PM »

It is made by Mr.Norbert - was that the one made for Mike by any chance? Got to love the scoops!

SAF Bats · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:24:14 PM »

scoops are 2 & 7 - 3 is a dual scoop [I dont sell them by the way]

so far profile 1, 5 & 8 are popular

yvk3103 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:28:44 PM »

SS, I have seen guys chucking away Newbery and Salix bats for Kookaburra and Adidas bats.... as the latter are more popular brands..... it is not a question of a �300 or �50 bat..... most people (often under 20 yrs in age) would go for stickers and shapes as their first ref for evaluating a bat......

GM Icon bats are a good example. GM has had amazing success with the new Icon DMX range .....

yvk3103 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:29:19 PM »

I like the shapes 3, 4 and 5

SAF Bats · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:35:54 PM »

Quote from: yvk3103 on January 11, 2010, 12:28:44 PM

SS, I have seen guys chucking away Newbery and Salix bats for Kookaburra and Adidas bats.... as the latter are more popular brands..... it is not a question of a �300 or �50 bat..... most people (often under 20 yrs in age) would go for stickers and shapes as their first ref for evaluating a bat......

GM Icon bats are a good example. GM has had amazing success with the new Icon DMX range .....

Whose using what and what is popular at your club is always going to bias your opinion. We had a big run on Charlie French bats in 2000 when one of the main run makers in the season started using one

By the way based on looks [not used one] the GM bats looks like one of the best balanced bats on the market

SillyShilly · « **Reply #21 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:42:40 PM »

Then you play at a rich club then Yash - people at my club would prefer to stick a ton of tape around it before buying a new one, i dont know many people who would just chuck away a bat.

I dont disagree about the aesthetics, they are extremely important, i just wasnt sure about the psyche of the individual when using the more flash bats compared a more basic looking bat.........cricket psychology would be an interesting area of investigation.

Just like you andy, about 6-7 years ago we had a massive influx of charlie french 2000's (i had two and they were duffers)

yvk3103 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:44:04 PM »

I agree Norb adn that is the point I am trying to make as a very large % of the playing population would go by looks and shape to make their decision.

The GM Icon bats are really very good. I have one and the balance and pick-up is very good. The middle position though is not 100% to my liking.

Norb, how accurately can one predict the position of the sweet spot on a bat but just tapping it with a mallet at the shop? Also is it possible for the sweet spot will vary from one bat to another withing the same range/series?

yvk3103 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:47:52 PM »

SS, I pay for Prestbury and yes it is one of the richer areas in Cheshire..... most of the lads who play with us are from homes with incomes in excess of �100,000 so yes that could be a factory influencing their purchasing behavious........

Most of the older players in the club use a Newbery and Salix (and some have their bats for almost 5 years!!!).

The most popular bats in our league happen to be Puma, Kookaburra, GM. Have seen quite a few Fusion Sports bats too...

SAF Bats · « **Reply #24 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:58:51 PM »

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Norb, how accurately can one predict the position of the sweet spot on a bat but just tapping it with a mallet at the shop?

[This is how I do it] You can feel / hear a dead sound on a bat when you tap it [around the middle area and I mean a light tap] - once you find it whack it that is the main sweet spot area of the bat. Go to work on the bat around the area and you'll how big the area is... You may find out shop keepers may take exception to whacking it so go easy

You'll need something to compare it against unless you have good muscle memory and therefore can remember how the mallet feels on a good bat

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Also is it possible for the sweet spot will vary from one bat to another withing the same range/series?

Yes, you generally find the main sweet spot [out of the screws shots] is about 1 inch-ish away from the main meat of the bat. This sweet spot is related to the pickup and as pickup changes from bat to bat they can't all be same

SillyShilly · « **Reply #25 on:** January 11, 2010, 01:00:47 PM »

You learn something new everyday, (quite literally with this masterclass)

May i be excused for lunch , i need to go to the toiler sir??

100 not out · « **Reply #26 on:** January 11, 2010, 01:58:16 PM »

Norb,

Can i ask your opinion on the shape of M&H Distinction bat?? Its unlike any other ive seen.

Have you seen it???

frankspop · « **Reply #27 on:** January 11, 2010, 02:02:23 PM »

As in tennis, you can consider there being two sweet spots on a cricket bat. One is a performance, or nodal, sweet spot where the sum of the amplitudes of the three dominant vibration modes is a minimum i.e. absorption of impact energy is minimised. The second is a comfort sweet spot known as the Centre of Percussion, where the forces of rotation and translation cancel out (excluding rotations for off-centre hits). The COP is rarely in the same place as the nodal sweet spot, and usually slightly above. By this reasoning you will get the best batted ball speed from a shot that you will 'feel' a reaction in the hands, and a slightly reduced batted ball speed from a shot out of the COP, which most of call 'middling it'.

Heavy bats absorb less impact energy than light bats, and will likely have a larger nodal sweet spot, but mass distribution will effect size and position.

I have a paper which compares various profiles' performance against impact vibration modes, which I can email to those who are interested.

Talisman, I will respond to some of your questions shortly.

yvk3103 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 11, 2010, 02:09:20 PM »

Quote from: frankspop on January 11, 2010, 02:02:23 PM

I have a paper which compares various profiles' performance against impact vibration modes, which I can email to those who are interested.
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I would be interested in a copy of this paper. PMed you my email id.

Thank you.

Buzz · « **Reply #29 on:** January 11, 2010, 02:20:20 PM »

http://www.globesports.net/acatalog/Millichamp___Hall_Distinction_Cricket_Bats.html

I saw one of these in Romida in Leatherhead a couple of weeks ago, they are some bat - and the profile is pretty unique.

I suspect that the volume of wood on the bat will have an impact on whether it is more desirable or not, hence the love of the SS Jumbo.

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