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[Felix Tito]

we absolutely do need 4 seamers on the basis we don't want to kill our bowlers in the heat out there in a three month period.

Felix you been on the pop early doors today ? 

No pop or no cider 

Just look at stats from the India vs South Africa series last year. Against a South African side minus the injured Steyn and Philander, India still seldom batted longer than 100 overs. Therefore we won't need 4 seam bowlers. 3 seamers(Broad, Woakes and Stokes) plus Rashid and then Ali and Root.

[ppccopener]

No pop or no cider 

Just look at stats from the India vs South Africa series last year. Against a South African side minus the injured Steyn and Philander, India still seldom batted longer than 100 overs. Therefore we won't need 4 seam bowlers. 3 seamers(Broad, Woakes and Stokes) plus Rashid and then Ali and Root.

im not 100 sure about this but I think the last time we toured india the seamers got more wickets than the spinners....i'm gonna check that out 

[Felix Tito]

im not 100 sure about this but I think the last time we toured india the seamers got more wickets than the spinners....i'm gonna check that out 

No way I think you're on the cider my friend.

Monty and Swanny run riot!

[Vitas Cricket]

Therefore we won't need 4 seam bowlers. 3 seamers(Broad, Woakes and Stokes) plus Rashid and then Ali and Root.

If we only consider away from home statistics, Andersons bowling average in India is only bettered by his average in the UAE and West Indies. Theres no way he doesn't lead the attack even though we all know India will prepare sandpits for the entire tour.

[Felix Tito]

If we only consider away from home statistics, Andersons bowling average in India is only bettered by his average in the UAE and West Indies. Theres no way he doesn't lead the attack even though we all know India will prepare sandpits for the entire tour.

Anderson has to prove he can still bowl in the mid 80s. These last two Tests against Pakistan he was barely medium pace for long periods. I don't care how good any one player is. You have to pull your weight.

[brokenbat]

Is Monty truly finished? He clearly knows how to bowl (bit like riding a bike), and already has experience getting the worlds best batsmen out. This will probably be too "out of the box", but wouldn't it be worth Strauss and Cook publicly backing him, and slotting him in the team? IF (granted its a huge IF) it works, think of the rewards!

From reading the stories about him, seems like the issue is all mental...come on ECB, spend some of your millions on a sports psychologist assigned just to Monty, and resurrect this world class bowler! Even if he doesn't make the playing 11, surely his experience will be very valuable for the likes of Mo, Ansar etc?

[brokenbat]

Anderson has to prove he can still bowl in the mid 80s. These last two Tests against Pakistan he was barely medium pace for long periods. I don't care how good any one player is. You have to pull your weight.

You can't get rid of world class players unless there is a better alternative. What matters most on tours, in alien conditions, is experience. Jimmy's presence alone will benefit all the other seamers. This is why I also think Bell should be a no brainer. The younger guys will rally around the seniors. Can't have everyone in the playing eleven using this tour to "learn".

[Vitas Cricket]

Is Monty truly finished? He clearly knows how to bowl (bit like riding a bike), and already has experience getting the worlds best batsmen out. This will probably be too "out of the box", but wouldn't it be worth Strauss and Cook publicly backing him, and slotting him in the team? IF (granted its a huge IF) it works, think of the rewards!

From reading the stories about him, seems like the issue is all mental...come on ECB, spend some of your millions on a sports psychologist assigned just to Monty, and resurrect this world class bowler! Even if he doesn't make the playing 11, surely his experience will be very valuable for the likes of Mo, Ansar etc?

He's barely made a dent in FC cricket for Northants, in fact he's played a lot of 2's cricket for Northants this year and he's even dipped down into minor counties cricket for Bedfordshire!

[FattusCattus]

Is Monty truly finished? He clearly knows how to bowl (bit like riding a bike), and already has experience getting the worlds best batsmen out. This will probably be too "out of the box", but wouldn't it be worth Strauss and Cook publicly backing him, and slotting him in the team? IF (granted its a huge IF) it works, think of the rewards!

From reading the stories about him, seems like the issue is all mental...come on ECB, spend some of your millions on a sports psychologist assigned just to Monty, and resurrect this world class bowler! Even if he doesn't make the playing 11, surely his experience will be very valuable for the likes of Mo, Ansar etc?

I don't think so, he's just not playing at a required standard. I'm afraid I have to agree with F-Tit here, and go for proper spinners and see who can step up to the mark, such as Kerrigan and Batty. The list is more long-term promising than inspiring -

Moeen
Rashid
Borthwick
Dawson
Kerrigan
Batty
Ansari
Crane
Leach
Rayner

None of them exactly carving their way through batting orders at County Level, so it's difficult to know how to choose.

Sadly (and I can't believe I'm saying this!!) I would pick Rashid and Batty as my spinners, with Mo and Borthers as batting back-ups.

I would then tell the County Coached and Peter 'Bloody' Such to pull their fingers out and move Dawson, Ansari, Crane and Leach on a bit bloody sharpish!!

[ppccopener]

No way I think you're on the cider my friend.

Monty and Swanny run riot!

I can't find Anderson and Broad's figures for the last India tour(away) but yes stand corrected top wicket taker for us was Swanny with 20 wickets over the series, so it wasn't a seamer.
 

[uknsaunders]

Anderson and Finn I remember causing real problems with reverse swing last time out. I think they broke the back of the Indian batting in the test that won it for us.

[ppccopener]

I think they did as well......they also bowled very well(Anderson and broad) in the UAE on very flat decks against Pakistan last time.

we actually won in India 2-1.

helped of course by the one-who-cannot-be named... in one of the tests we either drew or won. KP played one of the best innings I've seen. Truly brilliant batting...I think it was the test we saved from memory.
but too much sun at the weekend has affected my memory 

[ScottParko]

Talk in the Mail of Bell getting a call up. Apparently Bayliss spoke to Bell after the Surrey/Warwickshire game to ask him about Ansari and Batty as well as his own ambitions on returning. Apparently Bell is also talking to Perth Scorchers about playing for them in the BBL

[ppccopener]

Bell hasn't had a great season can't see him getting a call up now despite being a far better player than Vince or ballance.

Bit tricky the selection this time round. Vince prob is for the chop, ballance....not sure he has the game against spin in the middle order myself.

Who would of thought we would still be looking for new batsmen 2 years down the line.

Jos butler to play as a batsman only in the team?

[ProCricketer1982]

Bell hasn't had a great season can't see him getting a call up now despite being a far better player than Vince or ballance.

Bit tricky the selection this time round. Vince prob is for the chop, ballance....not sure he has the game against spin in the middle order myself.

Who would of thought we would still be looking for new batsmen 2 years down the line.

Jos butler to play as a batsman only in the team?

Hahahah.. So bllance and Vince out but buttler (proven to not be up to test quality ) in??