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[csnew]

Thought rashid's shot was pretty interesting - nailed it straight to the man in the deep when you've got buttler on the other end. Brainless cricket
Not convinced by Woakes (that 100 comment was sarcasm) and rashid's batting abilities.

[ppccopener]

Ashwin is a terrific bowler Felix, he's got the one that goes the other way which is great to have in your variations

Rashid and Mo will get wickets in different ways, yes more so if the batsmen are attacking, that's all part of being a spinner....

there is a difference in class it's clear to see.....

Quite where we go with spin i'm not sure.

For a start point I would like to see England touring the sub continent a lot more than we have done in recent times....

that's the challenge, the only way we can get better is getting out of our comfort zone on green seamers.

We are not a bad side, I expect some negativity on the forum today...it's misplaced lads.....

We are a decent side, it will be interesting to see next match if we play another batsman or go back to 3 spinners....

[Woodyspin]

You all missed my point ALI ONLY took 9 WICKETS....

[Number4]

Rash has done well, didn't bowl great this game but in the previous ones def improved from previous matches.

You can dress it up anyway you want but we are playing 4 seamers because our spinners are not top class, I wish we had a couple but we don't, and we certainly don't have 3.

Rashid has exceeded my expectations this tour, 22 wickets is not bad at all
 

Root comes on and picks up 2 important wickets.. then bowls stuff all after that... why?

[Woodyspin]

Our spinners also havent built enough pressure with maidens, 38 maidens (ali and rashid) bowled compared to ashwins and jadejas 89... 11% of ali and rashids overs were maidens compared to 20%... It all works out in their favour at the end of the day regardless off having 3 spinners or not, compare the top 2 of both teams

[Alvaro]

Root comes on and picks up 2 important wickets.. then bowls stuff all after that... why?

Cook was off having a piss

[ppccopener]

Root comes on and picks up 2 important wickets.. then bowls stuff all after that... why?

hard to work out that I agree. Root has bowled before and done alright. picks up wickets now and again

[ppccopener]

Our spinners also havent built enough pressure with maidens, 38 maidens (ali and rashid) bowled compared to ashwins and jadejas 89... 11% of ali and rashids overs were maidens compared to 20%... It all works out in their favour at the end of the day regardless off having 3 spinners or not, compare the top 2 of both teams

Swann used to tie an end down first innings quite a lot....so did Panesar, so did Tufnell, Edmunds,Emburey. All the good ones do

You can go back far as you want, the best did that for us.

If you(we) aint got that it's very hard

we are picking 3 spinners because we need 3, but not because we have 3 good enough.

and if we're honest, @FattusCattus did say....have we got 2 really good enough.

[tim2000s]

It's interesting really. What we need is one world class spinner, which we had with Swanny, or one that can be deadly accurate, even without much spin, see Giles. At the moment we have three, none of which on their own is a match winner, and none of which have the consistency required to bowl maiden after maiden.

What can we learn from this? Well I'd suggest that you either send Moeen to playing as a bowling all rounder and make him bowl a ton of overs in county cricket, rather than play as a batsman who can bowl, and you make Rashid play tons of CC games, forcing his captain to play him and make him bowl. Both of them need to be bowling a lot and gaining that level of consistency and repetitive-ness that we just don't seem to be able to manage in the 5-day game.

If we could get just one of them to step up to fill that gap, it totally changes the balance of the team. A batting spinner and a batting fast bowler, then we have plenty of depth.

[Calzehbhoy]

Bring back Tredders!

[ppccopener]

It's interesting really. What we need is one world class spinner, which we had with Swanny, or one that can be deadly accurate, even without much spin, see Giles. At the moment we have three, none of which on their own is a match winner, and none of which have the consistency required to bowl maiden after maiden.

What can we learn from this? Well I'd suggest that you either send Moeen to playing as a bowling all rounder and make him bowl a ton of overs in county cricket, rather than play as a batsman who can bowl, and you make Rashid play tons of CC games, forcing his captain to play him and make him bowl. Both of them need to be bowling a lot and gaining that level of consistency and repetitive-ness that we just don't seem to be able to manage in the 5-day game.

If we could get just one of them to step up to fill that gap, it totally changes the balance of the team. A batting spinner and a batting fast bowler, then we have plenty of depth.

this in a nutshell is it..

at the risk of upsetting Felix and the rest of the Somerset followers on here as well. Stop doctoring wickets at Taunton

If we (England) want Leach and think he could develop raging bunsns are not going to help him.

Sorry but it's true

[ppccopener]

Bring back Tredders!

one of our ex colts plays for Kent. Imran.

he's left arm 

[Rob580]

Really not sure the 4 seamers was as big an issue as it's being made out to be. We could have 6 spinners if we wanted, the issue isn't the number of spinners, it's the fact that all of our spinners are, frankly, awful.

I'm still not a fan of Rashid, too inconsistent, seems like he's soft in the head as well as soon as there's a bit of pressure on him (turning pitch, batsmen attacking) he turns to mush. You can say that he's a leggie, so he's going to be inconsistent but that's nonsense, just look at Yasir Shah, Adam Zampa, Davendra Bishoo, even Ish Sodhi! They can all at least land an over vaguely where they want. Time to get shot of him I'm afraid, cant see that Mason Crane would be any worse. Can't see that Moeen can justify playing just as a bowler, and given his soft dismissals this series, I'm not sure he can hold down a place as a batsman either.

Tough times, but I think given Ben Stokes being the allrounder, and Chris Woakes certainly knows which end to hold, we can afford to pick whoever is the best spinner, regardless of their other abilities. Got to be Leach or Rayner really though? I reckon if either of them can string together a decent start to next season, they could well be in the frame for the summer tests.

[Rob580]

this in a nutshell is it..

at the risk of upsetting Felix and the rest of the Somerset followers on here as well. Stop doctoring wickets at Taunton

If we (England) want Leach and think he could develop raging bunsns are not going to help him.

Sorry but it's true

Yes and no, in that, Yes, the bowlers need to bowl on a variety of pitches to learn how to bowl (which he does, given half the games aren't at Taunton) and No in that what we needed in this series was someone who knows how to bowl teams out on turning pitches, which he does know.

The Indians didn't become good spinners by bowling on green tops!

[smilley792]

Root comes on and picks up 2 important wickets.. then bowls stuff all after that... why?

Cook wasn't there so Root brought himself on.

Cook obviously no faith in him. Root is far from a front line bowler, but he got some good drift and turn in his small spell. He needs to be used more.



Root bowler 15-20 overs and batting 3 is more likely to work than moeen bowling 50 overs and then having to come in at.