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[tushar sehgal]

From an Indian Fan who watched every single match...only 2.5 Eng players deserve any kind of mention

1 - Hameed, showed great temperament and hopefully team management doesn't muck around with him.
2 - Stokes, seems to have the fire in his belly, bowled well batted well.
.5 - Jennings, got chances but cashed them in. He could be a good player for future.


Everyone else was not that good. Eng didn't lose because of their spinners, we all knew they were not at the same level. Eng lost because your fast bowling was not up to the level it was expected and your batsmen did not bat well. When Shami & Umesh have bowled better than Eng fast bowlers that's the clear sign where a problem was...

I don't think Eng can have any excuse regarding losing this series, they were the worse of 2 teams. I also don't think Root should captain, he does not come across as a Captain. I would still say Stokes should take over Eng captaincy.

[Woodyspin]

Eng didn't lose because of their spinners

How many wickets did take they take at an average in comparison?

[tushar sehgal]

How many wickets did take they take at an average in comparison?

My point was Eng didn't or should not have arrived in India thinking their spinners would win them the series, Just like India doesn't go to Aus/Eng thinking their fast bowlers are going to blow the opposition away.

If English fast bowlers performed like how we have seen them do in past, even in India, and with good captaining your spinners could have held an end while the fast bowlers scared Indian batsmen.

[six and out]

Hales just once no?

Strauss, Compton, Root, Carberry, Robson, Trott, Lyth, Ali, Hales, Duckett, Hameed, Jennings

this is all his partners i think - not sure which 10 are the 100 stands though - i think you can pretty much rule out Duckett so that just leaves 1 other

[rich041187]

Think people are going overboard with their praise for stokes...He only had 2 notable knocks (128 in 1st test and 70 in second) with failures for the remainder. If you look, all his big scores came in the 1st innings of a match and when we are under pressure 2nd dig he ultimately fails. He also only took one 5for and barely anything else, although he did bowl well and showed far more spirit than some. In my opinion he has a long way to go to be the finished article. If he wants to be batting top 5 he has to contribute more and have match winning performances in the second innings. Could even argue Ali has moved above him for that no5 spot 

[kaartman]

Wait what England lost....after this English fans should be banned from talking about nature of Indian pitches for next 100 years 

[Felix Tito]

Think people are going overboard with their praise for stokes...He only had 2 notable knocks (128 in 1st test and 70 in second) with failures for the remainder. If you look, all his big scores came in the 1st innings of a match and when we are under pressure 2nd dig he ultimately fails. He also only took one 5for and barely anything else, although he did bowl well and showed far more spirit than some. In my opinion he has a long way to go to be the finished article. If he wants to be batting top 5 he has to contribute more and have match winning performances in the second innings. Could even argue Ali has moved above him for that no5 spot

Harsh on Stokes TBH. Thought he was very good. Everyone said he can't bat on slow pitches. But he was good in Bangladesh and India. And he was massively under bowled in the final two Tests. As far as I'm aware he took the only 5fer by an Englishman in India

[alexhilly1492]

Strauss, Compton, Root, Carberry, Robson, Trott, Lyth, Ali, Hales, Duckett, Hameed, Jennings

this is all his partners i think - not sure which 10 are the 100 stands though - i think you can pretty much rule out Duckett so that just leaves 1 other

Second test on Bangladesh duckett and cook put in exactly 100

[six and out]

Second test on Bangladesh duckett and cook put in exactly 100

i didn't realise it was 100 after we only made 160 odd 

[alexhilly1492]

i didn't realise it was 100 after we only made 160 odd 

thats why it was so bad!!!!

[rich041187]

Harsh on Stokes TBH. Thought he was very good. Everyone said he can't bat on slow pitches. But he was good in Bangladesh and India. And he was massively under bowled in the final two Tests. As far as I'm aware he took the only 5fer by an Englishman in India

Agreed, it is maybe a little harsh but my point about him not contributing enough or consistently as a number 5 has substance. You say he batted well on tour, but he only had one score in Bangladesh and 2 in India - that's 7 tests with only 3 scores over 50. Not exactly pulling up trees

[Mpt7]

England were expected to lose this series 5-0
we lost 4-0

This is better than expected. No one is successful in India. England certainly weren't set up to win this series and have been making do from both a spinners and batters perspective

Today result whilst disappointing - not unexpected. would have been good to not fail like that but not unsurprising

re Cook's captaincy - he didn't have the players to look smart. It's easy to succeed with great bowlers. England's 6-10 bowlers, in India, aren't good enough but they were the best we appeared to have available.

conclusions:
Keep Cook
Move Root to 4
Hameed to open
Jennings at 3
Ali back to 8
Bairstow, Stokes and Buttler in the engine room
Woakes, Broad and Anderson  - will Ball, Wood and the future performance bowlers to pressure them and Jennings for the next India tour ;-)

next step SA in English conditions on the 6th July :-D

[northernboy1987]

Harsh on Stokes TBH. Thought he was very good. Everyone said he can't bat on slow pitches. But he was good in Bangladesh and India. And he was massively under bowled in the final two Tests. As far as I'm aware he took the only 5fer by an Englishman in India

Agreed. The progress made by Stokes this year has been fantastic, he's shown a growing maturity with both bat and ball as well as talent in my opinion too.

[ppccopener]

England were expected to lose this series 5-0
we lost 4-0

This is better than expected. No one is successful in India. England certainly weren't set up to win this series and have been making do from both a spinners and batters perspective

Today result whilst disappointing - not unexpected. would have been good to not fail like that but not unsurprising

re Cook's captaincy - he didn't have the players to look smart. It's easy to succeed with great bowlers. England's 6-10 bowlers, in India, aren't good enough but they were the best we appeared to have available.

conclusions:
Keep Cook
Move Root to 4
Hameed to open
Jennings at 3
Ali back to 8
Bairstow, Stokes and Buttler in the engine room
Woakes, Broad and Anderson  - will Ball, Wood and the future performance bowlers to pressure them and Jennings for the next India tour ;-)

next step SA in English conditions on the 6th July :-D

Totally with you on that...most of the time we dont really need a spinner as such, hence why ali plays we simply cannot do without his runs..but i wonder if turning away from the bat may put dawson in and around the squad more than people think.
Same role ashley giles played for a while.he did an unglamourous job for us home and away

[Buzz]

Why does everyone say move Jennings, why not move Cook? Having Hameed and Jennings at the top of the order might be a better bet.