Topic: Low Density cleft and Pick up (Read 10022 times)

Contrails · « **on:** November 02, 2016, 08:24:42 PM »

Oh jeez, not another topic on Low Density Willow!

Me and a friend were having a discussion on various topics including cricket bats and the topic of Low Density willow came up. He has a couple of CA bats - the typical over dried stuff. But my word, one particular bat he has (15000) has lovely grains and performance to match!

He made a very good point and hence leads to my query - what's the difference other than the obvious, a cleft that has been over dried vs one that has natural lower density?

Second - a lower density willow should be available in different grades or do Bat makers class lower dense willow straight away into the top grade regardless of the looks?

Regards

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #1 on:** November 02, 2016, 08:36:19 PM »

1
The natural lower density willow should last longer
2 As its Natural low density willow it would be top grade

simonmay5 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 02, 2016, 08:42:06 PM »

Their huge difference between over dried and low density lots of people claim to have them but from what I have seen they are very rare and are premium willow who wouldn't want a bat with 50mm edges at 2.11 😀

procricket · « **Reply #3 on:** November 02, 2016, 08:49:29 PM »

Low density is for a bigger bat in a lighter weight which produces a placebo effect.

@Seniorplayer has it nailed on its head.

I know what over drying a cleft does and doesn't do.

A low density cleft just gives you a bigger bat at lower weight.

Over dried gives it a soft pressed feel which some swear by.

There a reason why a lot of Asian bats go well from the start but die quicker.

People think soft pressed but the same feel and look also include over dried/naturally dried due to local climate.

Most lower density from custom makers is swalloped up by pro on the cadge paying usual RRP.

@hell4leather cricket they get and cut there own trees be a good question for them to answer on what they get in low density

InternalTraining · « **Reply #4 on:** November 02, 2016, 09:04:36 PM »

I have CAs, a bunch of them. Where I live, we have a lot of moisture in the air and bats gain weight. I know atleast one of my CAs gained weight. Did it impact it performance? No. It goes like a train. The oldest one is 4 seasons old. It has usual cracks and delamination issues that some other old (made in England) bats have. Also, I have not seen any degradation in performance. Other players in my team who have CAs have broken bats after a few seasons but they also didn't take care of their bats post season. In our state, I see a lot of people using very old (older than 10 years) CA bats but you can tell that those bats have been taken care of (oiling, sanding etc.).

I will take a CA that pings over a full of moisture (and suds) hard pressed bat that just never goes anywhere for a (long and miserable) year.

procricket · « **Reply #5 on:** November 02, 2016, 09:14:20 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on November 02, 2016, 09:04:36 PM

I have CAs, a bunch of them. Where I live, we have a lot of moisture in the air and bats gain weight. I know atleast one of my CAs gained weight. Did it impact it performance? No. It goes like a train. The oldest one is 4 seasons old. It has usual cracks and delamination issues that some other old (made in England) bats have. Also, I have not seen any degradation in performance. Other players in my team who have CAs have broken bats after a few seasons but they also didn't take care of their bats post season. In our state, I see a lot of people using very old (older than 10 years) CA bats but you can tell that those bats have been taken care of (oiling, sanding etc.).

I will take a CA that pings over a full of moisture (and suds) hard pressed bat that just never goes anywhere for a (long and miserable) year.

MMM interesting is that aimed at me

?

I rate Asian as much as English, I was just stating a fact from bats not actually getting into specifics about who makes what and how makes better.

Was talking overdried over low density mate.

I struggle to find these bats that take a year to play in though

@InternalTraining you still after balls I have around 30 of them in good condition....

hell4leather cricket · « **Reply #6 on:** November 02, 2016, 09:20:18 PM »

Mother Nature determines the density of each cleft , however it all depends on soil types and areas where they are grown . I cut a batch of old trees in late March which are stunning but most are heavier , the next batch of trees from about 15 miles away , cut in early June most are coming out low density ? Species and ground conditions play a major role . All dried the same way

Contrails · « **Reply #7 on:** November 02, 2016, 09:26:13 PM »

How often do you come across proper low density willow @hell4leather cricket ? I am lead to believe it is rare.

hell4leather cricket · « **Reply #8 on:** November 02, 2016, 09:33:11 PM »

Very rare , but depends if you want perfect looks and low density or 5 grains ,marks on the face and low density ? Would you pay say �500 because I said it was low density and looks terrible?

Contrails · « **Reply #9 on:** November 02, 2016, 09:42:52 PM »

Good question. In all honesty, I wouldn't pay 500 for a terrible looking bat even if the willow was the best performing cleft on the market. IMO, I would associate paying 500 for a premium bat in looks and performance. But everyone is different. A pro might see things differently.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #10 on:** November 02, 2016, 09:44:18 PM »

Quote from: procricket on November 02, 2016, 09:14:20 PM

MMM interesting is that aimed at me ?

I rate Asian as much as English, I was just stating a fact from bats not actually getting into specifics about who makes what and how makes better.

Was talking overdried over low density mate.

I struggle to find these bats that take a year to play in though

@InternalTraining you still after balls I have around 30 of them in good condition....

@procricket, No, it is _not_ aimed at you. It is not aimed at anyone. I am just stating what I have experienced. My TKs, Amplus (rumor has it was made by TK) are absolute gems. They sound and feel different than my CAs. As a consumer, I feel we lose forest for the trees. Overdried? Under-dried? Does it even matter as long as it pings and makes me happy for my weekend game?

I am all set with balls; I think it was @potzy248 who was looking for balls - if I remember correctly, his kit was stolen from his car.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #11 on:** November 02, 2016, 09:45:23 PM »

Quote from: hell4leather cricket on November 02, 2016, 09:33:11 PM

Very rare , but depends if you want perfect looks and low density or 5 grains ,marks on the face and low density ? Would you pay say �500 because I said it was low density and looks terrible?

Ugly face but rocket performance, and cheap? I will take it.

Calzehbhoy · « **Reply #12 on:** November 02, 2016, 10:36:22 PM »

So if a cleft is low density willow but is an ugly blade does that mean it's not sold as low density just regular grade 2/3/4 willow?

tom line · « **Reply #13 on:** November 03, 2016, 06:48:38 AM »

From what I've seen generally speaking if a cleft is really low density not it will get marked up to top grade due to the rarity of the willow, this doesn't normally apply to bats that are 1 or 2 ounces lighter than normal though, 3 ounces lighter than normal and then you see the cleft going up a grade, however your unlikely to ever get a very ugly piece of willow in low density as buttler flies knots etc tend to be denser than willow so you won't normally find a bat covered in knots in low density

Blank Bats · « **Reply #14 on:** November 03, 2016, 09:23:28 AM »

generally

tight, white and light

tick all three boxes and you have a pro cleft.

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