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[Felix Tito]

Rashid only gets wickets when batsmen are trying to hit him to the moon and back. He's awful. The more Test caps wasted on him the less chance a proper spinner gets an opportunity to be selected
Lyon has 200 odd wickets. If Rashid gets anyway near 200 wickets it would be an embarrassment to the history of Test cricket

[smilley792]

Rashid only gets wickets when batsmen are trying to hit him to the moon and back. He's awful. The more Test caps wasted on him the less chance a proper spinner gets an opportunity to be selected
Lyon has 200 odd wickets. If Rashid gets anyway near 200 wickets it would be an embarrassment to the history of Test cricket

Not getting into therahsid part of the argument.


But every wicket I've seen by Lyon against Pakistan was misbah and co smashing him Straight up as they tried to take him to the moon.

[Felix Tito]

Not getting into therahsid part of the argument.


But every wicket I've seen by Lyon against Pakistan was misbah and co smashing him Straight up as they tried to take him to the moon.

Has that happened for all 228 wickets Lyon had amassed? I doubt it.

Rashid played all his matches in Asia and still has made no improvement

[Manormanic]

Has that happened for all 228 wickets Lyon had amassed? I doubt it.

Nope - in 2014 he bowled someone attempting to sweep, and I seem to recall he got Trent Boult LBW on the back foot.

The other 226... *baits line*

[smilley792]

Finch and Bailey dropped from aus odi squad.


Lehman stating lack of recent runs for both of them, baileys new stance not paid dividends for him then



Chris Lynn has been called on his bbl form, espn noting he hasn't played a domestic matador up game since 2013!!

Stanlaki under similar circumstances also picked with the ball.

[Number4]

Nope - in 2014 he bowled someone attempting to sweep, and I seem to recall he got Trent Boult LBW on the back foot.

The other 226... *baits line*

Interesting to see how he goes in India seeing as he has taken more wickets against India than any other team (45) and his best figures are in India (7/94)

[Manormanic]

Interesting to see how he goes in India seeing as he has taken more wickets against India than any other team (45) and his best figures are in India (7/94)

True - but I doubt anyone, even the most rose tinted of Aussies, would argue that he has regressed since.  In any event, if you look at that game, as impressive as seven for anything is, he was outbowled by the Indian spinners - match figures were:

Jadeja - 7/104 (14.85)
Ashwin - 7/112 (16)
Lyon - 9/165 (18.33)
Maxwell - 3/66 (22)
Ojha - 3/94 (31.33)

[Number4]

Wouldn't that be expected though?

Agree that he certainly has gone off the boil though in more recent times

[Manormanic]

Wouldn't that be expected though?

Thank you.  It would.  But when the same point is made about Rashid (ie that it is different for and English spinner bowling to Indian batsmen than for an Indian spinner bowling to English batsmen) noone listens.

That series was the one point where I thought Lyon might progress to being more than a clubbie - or, put more kindly, the guy who profitted from batsmen having a go to avoid facing Mitchell Johnson in that late career peak.  It didn't happen.

[Number4]

I think that this will be a make or break series for him although as Skip said we still don't have a better spinner at the moment

[Manormanic]

I think that this will be a make or break series for him although as Skip said we still don't have a better spinner at the moment

really?  I appreciate Agar would be a push as much on his all round skills, but surely O'Keefe is a better bet.  He has looked much the better bowler when the two have played together.

[Number4]

O'keefe turns the ball even less than Lyon.

[Nmcgee]

I reckon OKeefe will progressively take over from here on, providing he can stay fit and stays away from pubs in Manly. Lyon will be playing for NSW next summer.

[Manormanic]

O'keefe turns the ball even less than Lyon.

But as Jadeja has demonstrated, this is less of a problem than you might think in the DRS era...

[Number4]

Jadeja also uses flight very well... Much better than most I believe