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[Big Mac]

If someone is really taking the p1ss backing up then there are already ways to handle it, I don't see any changes needed. I don't like the rule change as a way to encourage more wickets like that in the clip. I'd be bloody ashamed to be on the winning side in those circumstances

The Mankad in that clip was brilliant tbf

[sarg]

The template is a 40 mm edge and 60 mm spine and a maximum 7 mm cambered face...a flat faced bat with 40mm edge and a 67mm spine will fail the test. spine is measured from the face of the bat, not the base of the edge. Hope that clarifies.




Tested my new Blank Bat B1 Mk II with one at 3 mins in this video

https://youtu.be/64OFalN1P44

[Shinpathy]

That's nasty 

[lazza32]

Why does the MCC make the rules in regards to bats? Why not the ICC?

[adb club cricketer]

It isn't as simple as F=MA gents, go buy yourself a very heavy mahogany cricket bat with a 20mm spine and see how it compares. That said, when pro players are hitting it out of stadiums with a 70mm spine bat, making them use one with a 67mm spine isn't going to stop them clearing the 65 yards to the boundary.

I agree..F=MA is a factor but it is not the only factor to explain cricket bat ping. I don't think anyone quite understands the exact science of cricket bat ping. Expert batmakers know what to do at least to get great ping, though they might not fully understand the science happening inside the willow. Personally, I have experienced that for same weight, the bat with greater edge and spine generally ping more  than the thinner ones. Not always the case but it happens quite often...I am guessing this is vaguely similar to the spring effect , the longer the spring (bigger the edge/spine) the longer it can push back when compressed compared to a shorter spring...not a one to one comparison, but maybe at the micro level willow structures, something of that sort happens with bigger bats at same weight...

[sanredrose]

I am not handing anything back in. Honestly i see myself playing for another 4-5 years - for which i have sufficient number of bats in my collection. MCC new rules are for the newer generation. I believe manufacturers are going to have a difficult time explaining to amateur/village cricketers when they come in expecting a big bat or low density cleft.

[Shinpathy]

The uniqueness of bat designs will be gone

[edge]

I agree..F=MA is a factor but it is not the only factor to explain cricket bat ping. I don't think anyone quite understands the exact science of cricket bat ping. Expert batmakers know what to do at least to get great ping, though they might not fully understand the science happening inside the willow. Personally, I have experienced that for same weight, the bat with greater edge and spine generally ping more  than the thinner ones. Not always the case but it happens quite often...I am guessing this is vaguely similar to the spring effect , the longer the spring (bigger the edge/spine) the longer it can push back when compressed compared to a shorter spring...not a one to one comparison, but maybe at the micro level willow structures, something of that sort happens with bigger bats at same weight...

As Mr Dorset said above, the difference (ignoring properties of low density willow vs normal/high, which I don't know enough about) is down to stiffness. A thicker bat will be stiffer in bending than a thinner one of the same weight, so less energy will be lost in the blade flexing = more energy transmitted to the ball. Quantifying that accurately is anyone's guess though!

[adb club cricketer]

...That said, the only thing that matters is that a bat goes!

Exactly

[Red Ink Cricket]

the changes in law will limit a number of bats that are currently being made, but there will be plenty of designs that wont change or wont change much. what we will see is less concaving and fuller shapes. alternatively, we may see a change in how the willow is dried, certainly less overdried willow where the maker has purposely dried it beyond the recommended range for size. we may therefore see longer lasting bats as they may have more moisture.

it probably wont impact our levels much for a while which is good news as I have a couple of huge bats in the workshop which will be appearing in a for sale topic on here soon. an xp70 style bat and a couple of others.

[Red Ink Cricket]

Genuine question for the bat makers... at the pro level, is the willow dried for size or dried for performance? I can imagine that many do it thinking it is just about size but water does not have the most elastic of properties!

I'm not in a position where I make for a lot of pros so I'm not sure how many makers or who over dries for pros but other than getting a bigger bat at a lighter weight, I cant see there being any benefit. the way I look at it is that most things have an optimal moisture/ water level. take Humans for instance, we have an optimum water level. when we are dehydrated, things stop working or we become sluggish etc. in my eyes taking too much moisture out can only have a negative impact, that's if the determined moisture level is the optimum to start with. I'm sure those who handle the drying side of willow may be able to shed more light on it and advise why the 10-12% range is ideal.

[brokenbat]

Ok here are a few examples that illustrate how the pros will not lose distance:

1. Warner...he's nowhere close to being the biggest hitter in the game. Don't umar akmal and kp hit it at least just as far? And aren't their bats much smaller and more normal?
2. Kohli couldn't hit many sixes. Now he can. Did his bat chance? No. His technique and strength did (look how chubby his face was a few years ago)
3. Abd tried Warners bat for a few games. He went back to "normal specs".

[Shinpathy]

Umar Akmal is a unfit fat piece of joke that shouldnt be compared anywhere near the real big hitters.

Anyways pros do get their bats super overdried for huge bats and less weight.

It is even stated on the Laver and Wood site, where you can request a pro style double dried willow that wont last but will perform excpetionally.

[Shinpathy]

Warner may not hit the most sixes, but the ease which his bat allows him to smack fours even with a slight push is what makes his bat so good.

With a little of timing the ball just rockets everywhere.

[brokenbat]

Umar Akmal is a unfit fat piece of joke that shouldnt be compared anywhere near the real big hitters.

Anyways pros do get their bats super overdried for huge bats and less weight.

It is even stated on the Laver and Wood site, where you can request a pro style double dried willow that wont last but will perform excpetionally.

Try and stay objective. Not trying to say how good or fit he is...but he hits a long ball. Let's look at this 6: https://youtu.be/h0ELBssxDkg

It's massive. And he is using a "tiny" bat. That's my point- they don't need Warner sized bats. The ICC is wasting time.