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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #495 on: October 08, 2017, 01:25:43 PM »

So who are the other 2 participants in the Stokes brawl? Have they been identified anywhere?

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #496 on: October 08, 2017, 01:30:19 PM »

you make it sound acceptable that he punched him. How about man wields bottle other man thinks i'm not getting involved in this (especially as i'm an international sports superstar) i'm going go home

Is it acceptable?  That is a very difficult call, because we only have what is doubtless the most damning possible edit of the footage on which to go - because, lets face it, The Sun sell more newspapers if they can drag Stokes through the mire.  Based on that footage, you have a guy wielding a bottle in an aggressive manner - that immediately brings a defence of self defence into play, and you have to bear in mind that the proportionality of that self defence is not what some of the keyboard warriors on here feel is reasonable from their moral high horse, but what the person legitimately feeling threatened feels is necessary. 

In fact, were it not for the clear pause between actions, I doubt anyone would be concerned.  But yes, there is a clear pause, and those last couple of shots take some explaining.  In a court of law, that is not as hard as one might think - after all, the  guy being punched clearly initiated the overall aggression, but on film it looks uncomfortable.

My concern here is, he was not at work when it happened, and defending yourself is not cause for a disrepute charge in any event. 

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #497 on: October 08, 2017, 01:34:53 PM »

Back on cricketing terms, I'm really not sure that Australia are as good as they think they are. Other than Smith/Warner, their batting line-up is relatively weak in comparison to ours... I think we have a decent chance out there.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #498 on: October 09, 2017, 12:44:19 AM »

Back on cricketing terms, I'm really not sure that Australia are as good as they think they are. Other than Smith/Warner, their batting line-up is relatively weak in comparison to ours... I think we have a decent chance out there.

renshaw , and in particular,  khawaja and handscomb will make plenty of runs on home wickets.....i said it before - english supporters will see the arrival of handscomb as a test batsman of much merit.

Having said that , the batting lineups could be quite evenly matched still. cook, root , bairstow , ali , woakes , possibly stokes  vs renshaw,  warner , smith , khawaja , handsomb is pretty even . the aussies have home wickets on our side . poms have possibly one more batsman of note (and a deeper batting order , period ) in your favour.
the deciding factor could well be the bowling attacks. I think woakes , anderson will have moments of effectiveness aswell as getting pasted when using the old ball unless it reverses.  broad , stokes , finn (dont know much about overton etc ) can be more effective more often if they bowl aussie lengths.  ali should have a similar effectiveness to lyon provided he stays didiplined. however , i think starc , Hazelwood and cummins should regularly outbowl the english seamers,  thus allowing aussie ashes victory.....unless more than one of them get injured ( with pattinson  out , we only have coulter nile and behrendoff in reserve ....i dont think bird or sayers would have much impact tbh).
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #499 on: October 09, 2017, 03:43:12 AM »

renshaw , and in particular,  khawaja and handscomb will make plenty of runs on home wickets.....i said it before - english supporters will see the arrival of handscomb as a test batsman of much merit.

Having said that , the batting lineups could be quite evenly matched still. cook, root , bairstow , ali , woakes , possibly stokes  vs renshaw,  warner , smith , khawaja , handsomb is pretty even . the aussies have home wickets on our side . poms have possibly one more batsman of note (and a deeper batting order , period ) in your favour.
the deciding factor could well be the bowling attacks. I think woakes , anderson will have moments of effectiveness aswell as getting pasted when using the old ball unless it reverses.  broad , stokes , finn (dont know much about overton etc ) can be more effective more often if they bowl aussie lengths.  ali should have a similar effectiveness to lyon provided he stays didiplined. however , i think starc , Hazelwood and cummins should regularly outbowl the english seamers,  thus allowing aussie ashes victory.....unless more than one of them get injured ( with pattinson  out , we only have coulter nile and behrendoff in reserve ....i dont think bird or sayers would have much impact tbh).

Not an unfair assessment - I would say it slightly more simply, that in the conditions Australia have the bowlers to take wickets throughout the innings, whereas England will struggle when the ball goes old.

You would hope it will be a competitive series, but it's going to be a tough one for England to win.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #500 on: October 09, 2017, 07:58:35 AM »

If Stokes is not involved for England to win   unless the ball  reverses   Stuart Broads fitness experience will be the key.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #501 on: October 09, 2017, 08:03:25 AM »

If Stokes is not involved for England to win   unless the ball  reverses   Stuart Broads fitness experience will be the key.


And his pace needs to be up .
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #502 on: October 09, 2017, 08:04:56 AM »

I’m expecting a close series perhaps not a classic looking at the players on both sides!
Not expecting Stokes to be involved at all which is a blow for us as far as cricket on the field goes
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #503 on: October 09, 2017, 08:17:04 AM »

Lehmann has said our allrounder policy at no6 is out the window....potentially opening the door for s.marsh , n.maddinson , t.head etc . I wouldn't mind Head ( fattus should jump all over that comment ! Haha ) in the side , but not the other two. I really hope we pick maxwell or cartwright at 6 .
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #504 on: October 09, 2017, 08:24:57 AM »

I would have thought that the Big Show had probably done enough to be given another shot at six?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #505 on: October 09, 2017, 12:09:12 PM »

I would have thought that the Big Show had probably done enough to be given another shot at six?


Although , as the incumbent,  he would still be the front runner for the number 6 position,  he hasn't scored a half century in any format for 27 innings . Also , some consider him a slow/turning/subcontinental style pitch specialist re tests ( this is in part to him being considered a batting allrounder /spin option ) . In oz conditions his spin is not nearly as useful or valuable and is essentially challenging for the position just as a specialist batsman , and when you consider australia have dropped their policy of selecting an allrounder at all times , then he no longer is a certainty.  It will be a 'bat off' between all the potential candidates in the first 3 shield games leadibg up to the first test .
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #506 on: October 14, 2017, 02:10:06 PM »

From the pictures emerging from stokes’ wedding his hand doesn’t look too good!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #507 on: October 17, 2017, 01:23:26 PM »

Warner appears to be doing the interview rounds at the moment. Seems to have an unhealthy obsession with Ben. I wonder if they're shaping up excuses in case a miracle happens and we win?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #508 on: October 17, 2017, 02:00:01 PM »

Unless Warner is talking about how to hit a ball very hard a very long way i feel that life is much too short to place any value on what he has to say.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #509 on: October 17, 2017, 03:25:11 PM »

^LOL
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