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SOULMAN1012

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1785 on: December 05, 2017, 06:00:50 PM »

England should although won’t go for a left field choice batting wise to bring into bolster the batting line up. I think we all agree needs to be a RH bat and bat in top 5. So my random choices although more likely to get a call up myself.

Sam Northeast and Jo Denley - both had fantastic last 2 seasons, Jo played International cricket in the past and Northeast is county captain and a class player. Downside play Div 2 of the championship and neither that young.

KP - we’ll never going to happen but for me should have been playing for the last 2 Years.

Alex Hales - 5 would probably suit his style of play although possible still found wanting outside off stump.
 
Hameed - saving grace of England in 2016 and off the radar after an awful 2017 season

????????? Discuss

Oh yea, I’m a Kent CCC fan lol
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1786 on: December 05, 2017, 06:16:53 PM »

It unfortunately cannot be adapted for Vince.

Good technique is not the be all and end all, plenty of aesthetically pleasing players have been heavily outscored by those who have a less than traditional technique, but have the requisite application and fortitude. It's easy to be suckered in by the assumption that a 'pretty' batsman is a better batsman. Who would you rather have in your team, Graeme Smith & Steve Smith or Ian Bell & Shaun Marsh?

It's more about what you've got between your ears than how nicely you hit a cover drive.

In the words of Graham Gooch, 'You're not a batsman, you're a run scorer'

There are a lot of aesthetically gifted batsmen who score tons of runs. Kane Williamson. Root. Tendulkar. Kohli. Pujara. Murali. Rohit. Amla. Quinton. ABD. etc. etc.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1787 on: December 05, 2017, 06:56:09 PM »

There are a lot of aesthetically gifted batsmen who score tons of runs. Kane Williamson. Root. Tendulkar. Kohli. Pujara. Murali. Rohit. Amla. Quinton. ABD. etc. etc.

Agreed, but it's not the be all and end all. All great / successful batsmen have it between the ears, and I don't think Vince does.

I'd love to be proved wrong, but he needs to pack that cover drive away unless it's right under his nose.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1788 on: December 05, 2017, 07:43:00 PM »

I will give them a pat on the back if Vince continues this form through the series.

One swallow doesn't make a summer as they say.

Granted it was a great 83 and i am not trying to take that away from him.... but you can also say that he has again got himself out when set for a big score - which is what test match no. 3's need to make.

I wrote the above after the 1st innings in Brisbane... Vince was always going to be like this.

Other thoughts....

We have a chance.... It's a slim one but it's a chance at least. And a 2 days ago I didn't think we would have that.

Smith needs a serious talking to about not enforcing the follow on.

We need another right hander in the side to combat Lyon. I don't know if that is Foakes and Bairstow moves up or someone from the Lions. And also who do you drop ... I would actually drop Vince but he is a Right hander. Maybe Mo? Hes not bowling well and it isn't going to turn in Perth.

I really would like to know what Paine and Handscombe were saying to Root to get him so riled. I am also from a world where you earn the right to sledge and Handscombe has done nothing!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1789 on: December 05, 2017, 07:45:46 PM »

Chris Woakes is very good and will end up with 300 + test wickets. Once Anderson retires he’ll take the new ball and show how much he can swing it in England. He was told to add 5mph on to his bowling a few years ago, went away and did it. He’s also got 9 first class 100’s

*note* I am a Warwickshire fan

300 wickets is just a dream Chris is nearly 30 and is currently on 55  yes he will swing it in The Uk  he's 5 mph quicker but around 50 wickets a year is a big ask even if he's stays fit  ask Jimmy  in the last 12 months he's only managed  47  and he knows. How to pitch the ball up.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1790 on: December 05, 2017, 08:01:07 PM »

Nice to see some fight from the Englad boys.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1791 on: December 05, 2017, 08:22:25 PM »

What does that mean? He is a prima donna? Difficult?

Vince has great technique and I think he was mentored by Gary Palmer but I could be wrong about that. :)
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Doesn't or can't bat long.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1792 on: December 05, 2017, 08:23:26 PM »

It unfortunately cannot be adapted for Vince.

Good technique is not the be all and end all, plenty of aesthetically pleasing players have been heavily outscored by those who have a less than traditional technique, but have the requisite application and fortitude. It's easy to be suckered in by the assumption that a 'pretty' batsman is a better batsman. Who would you rather have in your team, Graeme Smith & Steve Smith or Ian Bell & Shaun Marsh?

It's more about what you've got between your ears than how nicely you hit a cover drive.

In the words of Graham Gooch, 'You're not a batsman, you're a run scorer'


Totally agree with this, there are many pleasing batsmen to watch and wonderful it is to see, there are just as many non pleasing ones who has scored thousands of test runs. Graeme smith spring to mind for one.

Root is great to watch and you can admire the others. I thought Malan showed lots of character and only come undone with high class bowling, Vince  has lovely shots, really great to watch his offside play, quality bowlers just won't bowl it there it will be short of a length outside off at pace.

I know it's club cricket and I'm not a brilliant player but same principal applies, I faced Alex Tudor last season, 40 odd now with bad knees, after I got a couple of runs relatively easy he just bowled it a bit quicker short of a length outside off. When he took away the drive and the clip off the legs I was stuck. The higher level you go up the better the bowling is. club to county must be huge, county to test a Grand Canyon.

vince won't make it, I would have Malan at 3 when stokes comes back.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1793 on: December 05, 2017, 08:37:26 PM »

COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!

I know ... we're still gonna lose ..... but there is just a smidgeon of hope......
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1794 on: December 05, 2017, 08:42:36 PM »

Have some faith

I'm feeling good about it, we have them under pressure and more importantly Smith is under pressure
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1795 on: December 05, 2017, 09:31:36 PM »

U think England is in winning position here specially Australia out of review for crucial hours of play.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1796 on: December 05, 2017, 10:55:53 PM »

The first hour is key. If we get through it one down, then I think we'll win... Otherwise it's curtains. So excited though!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1797 on: December 05, 2017, 11:00:34 PM »

I cant believe people on here are suggesting dropping Moeen! Englands player of the last 12 months for me along with Anderson.

I know he's not had a great return with the ball but who seriously thought he would in Australia? He's a batting allrounder and has only really become Englands premier spinner by default.

Short memories some people
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1798 on: December 05, 2017, 11:41:37 PM »

Just wish someone can smash the smirk of Lyons face and his spitting tongue
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1799 on: December 05, 2017, 11:58:10 PM »

I cant believe people on here are suggesting dropping Moeen! Englands player of the last 12 months for me along with Anderson.

I know he's not had a great return with the ball but who seriously thought he would in Australia? He's a batting allrounder and has only really become Englands premier spinner by default.

Short memories some people
Meh, Moeen's a good player but he averages 34 with the bat and 38 with the ball, he'll always be a bit vulnerable to suggestions. If Ben Stokes was available and the reserve spinner wasn't a 20yo leggie Moeen's place could genuinely have been under threat with the finger injury he's carrying. Has anyone actually suggested he get dropped though?

Re. potential RH replacements - they'll have to be right handed and bat in the top 3/4 for their county, along with ideally not being a previous international reject. Assuming we want somone younger than 30 and looking down the run charts from last season... Div 1 - Davies, Livingstone, Eskinazi, Lawrence. Div 2 - Northeast, Clarke. Throw in Hameed, hard to believe at least one of those won't get a go in the test side at some stage.
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