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Shinpathy

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1935 on: December 09, 2017, 10:54:46 AM »
Pouring a drink over a Anderson is not the brightest idea.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1936 on: December 09, 2017, 11:15:14 AM »
England management creates a culture where they encourage players to make their own decisions and act that professional sportsman and adults.

Players abuse that trust repeatedly, despite management meetings asking them to reign it in. Curfews and heavy handed parental control is considered counter productive to getting the best out of players on long tours. Therefore striking a balance is vital. To do so you need to trust your players to act as responsible, professional adults.

I'm sorry, this is on the players. They are the ones at fault. They are not learning or not listening or not caring.  Ironic that KP calls for Strauss to sort the shambles out when he was pushing back against Flower's heavy handed management a few years ago.

Strauss has a role to play here, but I'd guess he doesn't want to be the guy to install curfews, alcohol bans and over bearing restrictions on player's down time. It affects performance. He's being backed into a corner by Stokes, Hales, Duckett - I'm not convinced its his fault...
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1937 on: December 09, 2017, 11:37:57 AM »
The words of Shooter Mcgavin from Happy Gilmore are applicable here,I feel:

"Kick him off the tour!"

https://youtu.be/PdfTRd0nMos
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1938 on: December 09, 2017, 12:42:43 PM »
Quote from: FattusCattus on December 09, 2017, 09:25:29 AM
Farcical- about time Bayliss grabbed some of these boys by the balls and reminded them what they are paid vast amounts of money to do.

It’s not a f*cking lads jolly, it’s a professional sports team for Christ’s sake!

Take a bit of pride in what you do!

I think this echos how id be feeling.

Respect the game. Respect the history. Respect the privilege.

Cricket is not a f*cking game!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1939 on: December 09, 2017, 01:07:46 PM »
Quote from: manno on December 09, 2017, 12:42:43 PM
I think this echos how id be feeling.

Respect the game. Respect the history. Respect the privilege.

Cricket is not a f*cking game!

Make your mind up fella! ;)
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1940 on: December 09, 2017, 01:13:06 PM »
Don't make me pour a beer on your head!  ;)
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1941 on: December 09, 2017, 07:48:09 PM »
As an England fan, and a die hard one at that, I'm getting more disappointed as the weeks go on. I don't actually mind the fact that we are losing becuae we are just a 'good' team, not a great one by any means. We have a new captain and are away from home, all that adds up to a tough tour.

As has been said by @jamielsn15 the players are letting us down a bit, this Duckett incident was on a night there is no curfew, so any adult team away from home should make their own rules, which England by and large do.

The first time they are out after midnight this happens.

And it's all so trivial, stupid incidents.....
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1942 on: December 09, 2017, 07:57:46 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on December 09, 2017, 07:48:09 PM
As an England fan, and a die hard one at that, I'm getting more disappointed as the weeks go on. I don't actually mind the fact that we are losing becuae we are just a 'good' team, not a great one by any means. We have a new captain and are away from home, all that adds up to a tough tour.

As has been said by @jamielsn15 the players are letting us down a bit, this Duckett incident was on a night there is no curfew, so any adult team away from home should make their own rules, which England by and large do.

The first time they are out after midnight this happens.

And it's all so trivial, stupid incidents.....

Yep another opportuinity presented to the Aussie medis to  crank up undermine this England team
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1943 on: December 09, 2017, 07:59:38 PM »
I really don’t get why this Duckett story is such a problem, it’s not a school trip!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1944 on: December 09, 2017, 08:08:05 PM »
Who here can honestly say they've never done something a bit daft after a few drinks?

I'll put my hand up and say I've poured a beer over a teammates head before. I deeply regretted it shortly after, as I realised I'd have been better off drinking it :(
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1945 on: December 09, 2017, 08:15:36 PM »
Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on December 09, 2017, 08:08:05 PM
Who here can honestly say they've never done something a bit daft after a few drinks?

I'll put my hand up and say I've poured a beer over a teammates head before. I deeply regretted it shortly after, as I realised I'd have been better off drinking it :(

I’ve done some silly things in my life but I agree completely. Yes it doesn’t look great but if they want people to act like adults for me you have to treat them like it. If this was happening on another tour other than aus no one would care

The only thing he should be fined for is wasting a beer!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1946 on: December 09, 2017, 08:22:04 PM »
Would you pour a pint/a cup of coffee/tea/water over someone head at work?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1947 on: December 09, 2017, 08:22:43 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on December 09, 2017, 08:22:04 PM
Would you pour a pint/a cup of coffee/tea/water over someone head at work?

Would love to 😂
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I don't know how to put this, but, I'm kind of a big deal.

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1948 on: December 09, 2017, 08:31:57 PM »
Yeah me too!!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1949 on: December 09, 2017, 08:32:23 PM »
Quote from: iand123 on December 09, 2017, 07:59:38 PM
I really don’t get why this Duckett story is such a problem, it’s not a school trip!

No. It's a work trip, where your employers have told everyone to be on their best behaviour because two colleagues have got into trouble on a night out just before the trip and a third made a prat of himself at the start of the trip.

In isolation it wouldn't a big deal but given all the surrounding circumstances then it's impossible to come to any other conclusion than Duckett is a complete moron.
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