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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1995 on: December 10, 2017, 05:55:15 PM »

I have a feeling one under the microscope is Bairstow

It makes sense. I always thought JB's kit would be stickered up by now, if he has been in more trouble, then that would explain the delay in sponsors.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1996 on: December 10, 2017, 05:57:29 PM »

Was Butler ever in the frame for Ashes test selection?

Probably not
But wouldn't harm his chances of a game

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1997 on: December 10, 2017, 06:02:17 PM »

I went through the list of settled members of the England squad and there are not many candidates.

Cook - yeah, right.
Root - unlikely.
Ali - would be a wonderful scoop, but no.
Bairstow - possible.
Woakes - possible.
Broad - possible.
Anderson - unlikely.

Stokes we know is PNG, and I am pretty confident that if this is true Hales and Ball will be amongst those under the spotlight.  Vince, Stoneman, Malan and Curran have not been around the senior squad long enough.

Hmmm...
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1998 on: December 10, 2017, 06:07:24 PM »

Woakes is mr nice guy so can’t see it being him.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #1999 on: December 10, 2017, 06:14:06 PM »

 Bairstow, ball, plunkett, Anderson we’re all out in Bristol (Anderson working with sky at the time

Root possibly but as skipper is highly doubt it, broad possibly but again doubt it,

Depends on what criteria Bayliss has set for the supposed cull
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2000 on: December 10, 2017, 10:17:32 PM »

Someone is going to ask sooner or later what caused that incident with Duckett. Yes it was totally brainless, but even as daft as that was anything said or done to him. According to Panesar (yes the irony of it) interviewed on the radio yes he does like a drink, he also has a healthy respect for senior England players.
Anderson-senior pro critical to England
Duckett- borderline good enough for the senior side, with a bit of previous

Just Sayin
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2001 on: December 10, 2017, 11:17:06 PM »

It seems every time I'm away from the forum for a couple days this thread jumps ahead by 5 pages due to an alcohol related incident! 
Thank god the next test is in 3 days time and we can fet back to talkibg about some cricket .  ;)
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2002 on: December 11, 2017, 10:49:15 AM »

I'm still wondering who thought it would be a great idea to go to the bar immediately after a meeting where management specifically warned the player's about their future conduct and then to go back to the same bar that bairstow snuggled up to Bancroft in. Talk about out of the firepan...

I don't see anything normal about pouring a drink over someone's head in a bar,  but I do wonder about bairstow and anderson. Anderson was out in Bristol and was in this bar again.

I remember seeing interviews with Ponting and Ian Bell from a few years back. Ponting had his wake up call after his bar incident and Bell said he had his after being invokved in Flintoffs pedalo incident. I'm not saying Anderson's career has been affected at all by having a few jars but the younger players will look up to him. He should be setting an example. Not good him being out in Bristol and Perth...
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2003 on: December 11, 2017, 11:28:31 AM »

He was in Bristol as a pundit, not playing so that's a bit different to this one but is this like the pedalo night, most of the team were out for dinner and a few drinks Freddie got hammered and did something stupid.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2004 on: December 11, 2017, 05:31:28 PM »

Really good piece by George Dobell on everything thats going on at the moment....

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21736848
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2005 on: December 11, 2017, 06:34:43 PM »

Last coupla paragraphs nail on head

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2006 on: December 11, 2017, 07:36:01 PM »

Last coupla paragraphs nail on head

Excellent article. There may be an issue that needs addressing with some players, and some have behaved stupidly.

But I doubt it's an epidemic and absolutely the management could of dealt with it better, we nave must fuelled the issue so it's out of proportion.

And Duckett may well be a well meaning dim wit, but to me he has been done up like a kipper here.

Getting the security to report on the players as well is a huge mistake in my opinion and a cop out.

If we are not careful the trust you need to run a team will be broken and difficult to put back together.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2007 on: December 11, 2017, 08:05:08 PM »

Last coupla paragraphs nail on head

Yep definitely.

Particularly like the line.... "all this talk of a drinking culture is a red herring for the issues that actually require confronting."

I am a fan of Dobell I think he gets it right more times than not.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2008 on: December 12, 2017, 01:09:45 AM »

Reads like a bland re-hash of his earlier apologetic excuse laden character reference of these fine young english gentleman, mistreated by a cruel overbearing headmaster and unfairy scrutinised by a nation of bullies and hypocrites. Boo...hoo!

The last two paragraphs are the ONLY two worth reading.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2009 on: December 12, 2017, 06:54:49 AM »

The Times was reporting yesterday that it wasn't an argument between Duckett and Anderson - supposedly plenty of them were pouring drinks over each other (have drinking games changed recently or did this one just pass me by when I was a student, wtf?) but Duckett was the only one reported by the security to Flower, and has been stitched right up.

Various pundits have raised the valid point that if you really have to have a curfew, letting them off for a night is a terrible idea; 'here you go lads, this is the only night you can get pissed for the next 6 weeks'. Management would have been better off declaring that there's no need for a curfew, the players are all responsible adults and are aware that misbehaving late at night is not what's expected of an England cricketer, etc. Then get the players in a room and tell them you're backing them and want to trust them, but the next one who ends up in the papers as a result of late night activities will be on the next plane home.

Frankly the worst part of this whole thing is the extra Michael Vaughan exposure. Who'd have thought that the two captains of England's biggest test successes this century would end up doing so much to irritate cricket fans.
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