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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2160 on: December 16, 2017, 09:57:31 AM »

Yep But the pitch as played its part surely Plunkett and Wood would have brought something different to Englands bowling.

You're right, their extra pace would have got the ball to the boundary quicker  :(
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2161 on: December 16, 2017, 10:00:21 AM »

Yep But the pitch as played its part surely Plunkett or Wood would have brought something different to Englands bowling.

We’ve all been saying plunkett!


On a seperate note I’d be saying with the ashes gone players have 2 games to get on the plane to nz

Some won’t like this but Anderson and broad have been the worst for England they have the record and experience and I think they think they’re in droppable, now we’ve lost he ashes drop one of them for a new lad to prove that they’re not!

I wouldn’t change the batting but I would play crane and curran, rest Overton as he’s injured.

I wouldn’t be totally upset with this team at the start of the next English summer;

Cook (unless hammeed/Jennings/someone else scores Tonnes early season)
Stoneman
A N OTHER (maybe stokes)
root
Malan
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Overton
Roland jones
Anderson/broad/curran

Suddenly we have a team that doesn’t look any worse than what is playing at the minute even without the 800+ Test wickets
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2162 on: December 16, 2017, 10:05:04 AM »

Broad needs to be dropped, his record in the last 12-18 months has been extremely poor. He’s flown under the radar for a while
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2163 on: December 16, 2017, 10:09:42 AM »

Yes very much so. He may not be a particularly bright cricketer but not everyone comes from a university education.

He's a cricketer it's very easy to like, he has some lovely shots.

Quite why it's taken this long to bat in front of Mo I cannot fathom for the life of me.He is the third, arguably second on form in the last 2 years, best bat in the team.

Without Stokes surely the selectors could see he should be batting 6 at the lowest. But they didn't did they?

Can't help thinking this tour is one we have got wrong and shot ourselves in the foot. That used to happen quite a lot way back, not so much these days thou.

If we were flush with quality batsmen I could understand it...

when England have competed it's been down to the batters on this tour Englands bowling is the bigger problem before the  Ashes started suggested  on here Englands bowlers weren't good enough  and couldn't see them taking 20 wickets each match and got ripped into by one established member.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2164 on: December 16, 2017, 10:09:42 AM »

What planet is Farbrace on??!!

England coach Paul Farbrace on BT Sport: "I wouldn't say we have been batted out of it but that is a tough day. When you get in you have to go big and that's a tough lesson for our batsmen to learn. We had the opportunity to do this and Australia have taken theirs.

"They have played exceptionally well. You can look at how your bowlers bowled, we think we worked really hard today. We don't have the pace they have and we don't have magical spin. We have what we have.

"Watching from side on our body language was good. We stuck at it, we just weren't quite good enough.

"We think we've done pretty well today."
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2165 on: December 16, 2017, 10:09:56 AM »

Well, did anyone seriously expect Broad or Anderson to put in a match winning performance in Australia?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2166 on: December 16, 2017, 10:11:42 AM »

What planet is Farbrace on??!!

England coach Paul Farbrace on BT Sport: "I wouldn't say we have been batted out of it but that is a tough day. When you get in you have to go big and that's a tough lesson for our batsmen to learn. We had the opportunity to do this and Australia have taken theirs.

"They have played exceptionally well. You can look at how your bowlers bowled, we think we worked really hard today. We don't have the pace they have and we don't have magical spin. We have what we have.

"Watching from side on our body language was good. We stuck at it, we just weren't quite good enough.

"We think we've done pretty well today."

He can’t exactly come out and say we’re were shut can he?

Where’s bayliss for these interviews though! He’s he head coach he should be answering! Not good enough
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2167 on: December 16, 2017, 10:13:01 AM »

Never judge a total until both sides have batted on the pitch.....well , ive seen them both now , safe to say , relatively speaking , england batted (and bowled) like crap .
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2168 on: December 16, 2017, 10:13:37 AM »

He can’t exactly come out and say we’re were shut can he?

Where’s bayliss for these interviews though! He’s he head coach he should be answering! Not good enough

I think they should come out and say that, media talk gets on my wick haha
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2169 on: December 16, 2017, 10:19:30 AM »

I think they should come out and say that, media talk gets on my wick haha

Given the circumstance and everyone knowing it I think trying to be positive for the dressing room is a good thing

Although I’m sure they’re all sat there now knowing they’ve been crap
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2170 on: December 16, 2017, 10:30:53 AM »

Given the circumstance and everyone knowing it I think trying to be positive for the dressing room is a good thing

Although I’m sure they’re all sat there now knowing they’ve been crap

To be honest we all know that most teams nowadays are crap away from home and that's fine I suppose what worries me is why England are so much worse away than others seem to be at the moment. Whilst we rarely lose series at home we don't batter teams in the way that India battered us last winter and Australia are battering us this winter.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2171 on: December 16, 2017, 10:35:19 AM »

when England have competed it's been down to the batters on this tour Englands bowling is the bigger problem before the  Ashes started wrote on here Englands bowlers weren't good enough  and couldn't see them taking 20 wickets each match and got ripped into by one established member

i don't know which of the 'members' you are referring to, you did indeed write that and you are correct, our medium pacers all right arm over won't get wickets on good batting decks. You don't have to look far back to see England overseas struggle to bowl sides out. we lost 0-4 in India not so long ago. Under lights we had a decent chance in the match because we need it to do a bit to help our bowlers.

Quality bowling wins test matches...however....when the batters get in they have to nail it and nail it big-this is what we don't do-get big hundreds.

If we don't do that we will Lose matches....forget about winning and bowling teams out, we will lose without enough runs.

We got 400 on this game when 500 should of been a good score.

You are perfectly right about our bowling, and England's good results are flattering by playing in home conditions when our bowlers bail us out.

Top level cricket, when good players get set they put their teams in strong positions, agreed you may not win becuae you need 20 wickets, but without runs we will continue to lose.

What's the answer? Not sure, let's find this 'established member' see if he, or she(!) can give us an answer

Us fans need something to cling on to.  :)
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2172 on: December 16, 2017, 10:53:39 AM »

Smith & Marsh didn't give any chances to English bowlers today. The marathon 301 partnership didn't feature any real close call. Other than Overton, no other bowler tried to build up pressure on the batsman. Broad's bouncer was getting dispatch to square leg and mid wicket region, while Anderson's good length balls were getting pushed to third man and point region. Runs were coming in freely and batsman never felt any pressure. Ali didn't make much of an impact which left Root with no option but to get Malan bowl a few overs. Full credit to Aussie batsman. Perfect day for them!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2173 on: December 16, 2017, 11:06:14 AM »

Didn’t Overton go at 4 an over.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2174 on: December 16, 2017, 11:17:32 AM »

Great stat I just read, Cook has batted for over 35000 minutes in test cricket, that's 24 full days at the crease.
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