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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2235 on: December 18, 2017, 08:21:23 AM »

Well done aussies

Boycs talking the truth on bt interview
We are crap, and the lads in county cricket at the moment are crap
The county chairman need the money to grow the county game not stay out of debt

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2236 on: December 18, 2017, 08:47:26 AM »

Aussies are clearly the better side in these conditions and fully deserve to be 3-0 up, the most frustrating thing is that we've been in really good positions in all 3 games, and yet have somehow managed to lose every single key money and end up with 1 heavy defeat and two absolute bummings.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2237 on: December 18, 2017, 08:51:10 AM »

Only positive from this whole series so far has been Malan, if there was an advertisement for the state of bowling options in county cricket then this match was probably the one
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2238 on: December 18, 2017, 08:57:25 AM »

Its not all doom and gloom guys.... I know a 3-0 scoreline after 3 test matches is hard to swallow, but I think you guys have unearthed some genuine batting prospects for the future.

Stoneman looks the goods as an opener - he is composed and is a tough competitor
Vince is the perfect No3 who should be given a run at this position for a long time. The best number 3's in world cricket have been players who take the game to the opposition and Vince is definitely a glorious timer of the ball who has all the shots. He just needs to learn to rotate the strike a little more rather than dealing in boundaries - Great Prospect.
Malan has been impressive and also has all the shots. Plays quick bowling with relative ease and possesses an excellent pull shot - Seams to have time to play the ball.

If you can find a decent opener to replace Cook when he leaves and fast track Mason Crane as your number 1 spinner, when Stokes comes back into the team, your side is a decent lineup.

Here is a curve ball for you boys to debate over - Is Bairstow's technique good enough to allow him to open ? If so, this would allow Foakes to come into the team as a keeper given he is highly rated in England.


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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2239 on: December 18, 2017, 09:02:38 AM »

I think Foakes now will get his opportunity as a keeper/batsman now that the test series is basically over
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2240 on: December 18, 2017, 09:07:30 AM »

Bairstow is a very good player - I have long said probably our best bat - but I think he needs to be given a solid slot and allowed to stay there rather than casting him in to whatever gap exists at a given moment.  There is also an issue with teh fact that he actively wants to keep and is prone to a bit of sulking...

If Cook is finished - and I think that has to be considered a possibility - then we probably should be looking at:

Stoneman
X
Malan
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
X
Ali

then three bowlers.  I am not yet convinced by Vince - he has played a couple of really good innings, but gets out the same way far too often - but he could do a good job lower in the order. 
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2241 on: December 18, 2017, 09:09:17 AM »

Last time Eng won the Ashes in Aus: 2011
Last time Aus won the Ashes in Eng: 2001

P.s. I think that Broad is done. Tom Curran should be in for the last two games. It won't make a difference to the result, but he is worth investing in.

I also like Selvey's suggestion that Cook should go back to working with Gooch.

P.p.s. the Kiwis will be very very tough to beat this summer.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2242 on: December 18, 2017, 09:26:40 AM »

Now the ashes have gone although they may not make a difference why not  bring crane  and wood  into the side in place of Ali who is a batsman who does well with the ball  in The UK Wood for Woakes good team man but ineffective with both bat and ball  away from home keep Overton in if he's fit to assist his development.
As England need a battler low down the order find a spot for Balance
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2243 on: December 18, 2017, 09:32:08 AM »

Last time Eng won the Ashes in Aus: 2011
Last time Aus won the Ashes in Eng: 2001


Aus Ashes test wins: 133
Eng Ashes test wins: 102
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2244 on: December 18, 2017, 10:03:15 AM »


I also like Selvy's suggestion that Cook should go back to working with Gooch.


I agree. I know Cook is a peak and troughs player but am I right in thinking he was working with Gooch during that 09-12 period where he was basically unstoppable?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2245 on: December 18, 2017, 10:18:47 AM »

Now the ashes have gone although they may not make a difference why not  bring crane  and wood  into the side in place of Ali who is a batsman who does well with the ball  in The UK Wood for Woakes good team man but ineffective with both bat and ball  away from home keep Overton in if he's fit to assist his development.
As England need a battler low down the order find a spot for Balance

There aren't many suggestions I would agree with here.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2246 on: December 18, 2017, 10:34:48 AM »

The lack of application by this current England team is worrying.
The management has been poor, both during and before the start of the series.

Boycott reckons the counties are to blame, and questions have to be asked for the future of the game going forward.

If it's t20, and the whole entertainment thing,then it's a shame

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2247 on: December 18, 2017, 10:59:38 AM »

Something I found interesting, although maybe irrelevant, Cook only averages 39 in Aus and SA vs 45 career. Seen as he's such a good player off his back foot, I personally thought he'd have a better average in those countries combined that'd be considered 'faster, bouncier' wickets. I knew he only really had one good ashes in Aus but still expected to see something different. 

As for this series, where to start? It's worrying when the better players have been the ones in their test infancy.

Cook, not sure if he's completely focussed, will personal goal motivate him now he's no longer captain? He's achieved everything possible for England hasn't he (I don't want him dropped btw I think he magnificent, just asking the question)
Root has had far too much sh*t to deal with imo for a first series abroad, esp an ashes series.
Vince jury still out for me.... 2 starts hasn't pushed on very 'flashy' would like to see some grit. but looked better than his previous attempt at test cricket imo.
Ali very frustrating that he had to be told he wasn't Englands first choice spinner in the summer, but also don't think he's fully fit after his side strain and finger.
Ball. what does he do that plunkett doesn't? I understand that plunkett barely bowled in CC last season (42 overs from bumble on twitter) but surely that's Yorkshire managing his workload to get the best/quickest from him when it mattered to them?
Broad just hasn't looked right bar one spell where he showed some pace in the 2nd test, always a streaky bowler seems to be its 4-6 wkts or not much unfortunately he's just not found one of those magic spells.

I think there could be some changes for the final 2 not sure what, as the squad itself isn't one that's pushing for places, 1 change could be crane for Ali, so what the tail is weaker? Ali hasn't made the batting stronger so far has he?

But come NZ tour I think it'll be a pretty similar side to this, almost English conditions so stick to what you know and I expect JA,SB & CW to perform with the ball in more suitable conditions.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2248 on: December 18, 2017, 11:07:08 AM »

Root has had a tough tour you could look at the following:
Lack of pace in our attack
Lack of quality spin
Let down by senior players
Let down by his own management
And a team minus Stokes is half a team-that’s the reality.

IMO he needs Cook going forward and Anderson

Whether broad still has it is a tough call

And we need Root back to the best batsman we have for years

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2249 on: December 18, 2017, 12:19:52 PM »

Root has had a tough tour you could look at the following:
Lack of pace in our attack
Lack of quality spin
Let down by senior players
Let down by his own management
And a team minus Stokes is half a team-that’s the reality.

IMO he needs Cook going forward and Anderson

Whether broad still has it is a tough call

And we need Root back to the best batsman we have for years

I pretty much agree mate, I think the major factor is Stokes missing, not just for the balance he brings to the side but the whole media circus and internal problems that the incident has brought along is the absolute last thing you need as a team when you're already getting it both barrels from the Aussies.
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