Topic: Ashes 2017-18 (Read 407230 times)

Manormanic · « **Reply #2550 on:** December 27, 2017, 11:49:05 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on December 27, 2017, 11:05:05 AM

Our best ever seam bowler now surely?

If you look at stats only , and they played far far fewer tests way back, trueman's average is astonishing....

But they were uncovered pitches(?). Anderson has got his wickets on sponsors wickets in the UK, and elsewhere batting friendly ones...
Trueman was much quicker than Jimmy, but I've not seen a better bowler for us

Trueman, by all accounts, could do everything Anderson can, but at a higher pace, and I think he must still be considered our greatest seamer. Stats are difficult to compare because there are the differences of uncovered pitches, having to play 30+ first class games on top of Test cricket, not getting to feast on Zimboks, Banglas and the modern generation of awful West Indies teams.

Number4 · « **Reply #2551 on:** December 27, 2017, 11:57:54 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on December 27, 2017, 11:46:34 AM

English bowler takes a high percentage of wickets in England shocker.

I assume by the same standard you're taking all runs in Australia out of consideration for Smiffy?

If you prefer to compare bowlers, which I thought that�s what was happening, then Glenn McGrath would be a better comparison.

And taking away Smiths Australian runs he is still holding an average of 57 which still above any of the English batsmen.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #2552 on:** December 27, 2017, 12:08:32 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on December 27, 2017, 11:49:05 AM

Trueman, by all accounts, could do everything Anderson can, but at a higher pace, and I think he must still be considered our greatest seamer. Stats are difficult to compare because there are the differences of uncovered pitches, having to play 30+ first class games on top of Test cricket, not getting to feast on Zimboks, Banglas and the modern generation of awful West Indies teams.

Brian Close said during a test match Truman was about to bowl with the new ball the Indian batsman about to face him asked for the sidescreen to be moved on being asked where he wanted it moved to he replied between me and Fred.

Manormanic · « **Reply #2553 on:** December 27, 2017, 12:57:11 PM »

Quote from: Number4 on December 27, 2017, 11:57:54 AM

If you prefer to compare bowlers, which I thought that�s what was happening, then Glenn McGrath would be a better comparison. .

I think you'd actually struggle to get a like for like comparison for Anderson - Alderman and Rackemann were the last convenional swing bowlers that Australia really had, which is quite understandable given the pitches and balls that prevail in your conditions.

Manormanic · « **Reply #2554 on:** December 27, 2017, 12:59:03 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on December 27, 2017, 12:08:32 PM

Brian Close said during a test match Truman was about to bowl with the new ball the Indian batsman about to face him asked for the sidescreen to be moved on being asked where he wanted it moved to he replied between me and Fred.

A good story, but one I preferred was the day Fred walked into the Glamorgan dressing room and announced he needed six wickets for 100 in the season "an' ah'll be 'aving you, you, you, you, you and you". And then promptly got all six of them.

smilley792 · « **Reply #2555 on:** December 27, 2017, 01:29:53 PM »

Just watched the highlights of the evening session.

I see australia still trying to make broad out to be the king villian.

This time to show how bad broad was in slowing down warner when he got to his ton.
Smith bought himself on to bowl Pies and get cook there quicker!

Cos that what test cricket is about yeah? We all want to see batsmen score at 11 an over putting crap away, non off this testing of a guys mental over 5days.........

northernboy1987 · « **Reply #2556 on:** December 27, 2017, 01:36:23 PM »

Quote from: smilley792 on December 27, 2017, 01:29:53 PM

Just watched the highlights of the evening session.

I see australia still trying to make broad out to be the king villian.

This time to show how bad broad was in slowing down warner when he got to his ton.
Smith bought himself on to bowl Pies and get cook there quicker!

Cos that what test cricket is about yeah? We all want to see batsmen score at 11 an over putting crap away, non off this testing of a guys mental over 5days.........

Exactly, I though that was foolish by Smith, I can only assume that Smith was trying to make Cook (a man famed for his mental toughness once in) play a rash shot in a rush to get to 3 figures, bit naive if that was his thinking, might have worked on Root to be fair but not Cook, he'd have been best off bringing a strike bowler back and trying to find a way through his defences properly.

rickjames · « **Reply #2557 on:** December 27, 2017, 03:18:48 PM »

Didn't Smith get him out when he was close at the Oval in 2015 towards the end of the day. Was some proper filth this time, mind.

Northern monkey · « **Reply #2558 on:** December 27, 2017, 07:28:19 PM »

Just watching the highlights
Cook looks a different bloke???
Moving his feet, head over the ball, timing the cover off the ball, shame he didn't push for a review of stone mans dismissal

Johnny · « **Reply #2559 on:** December 27, 2017, 11:11:33 PM »

...Stoneman was definitely out. But a Vince review might have been a good idea.

Cook batted really well.

Personally, I think he still has a few years left in him...

But... He seems a bit hacked off. Body language when he scored the ton seemed off, and just watched an interview on BT and he just seemed a bit fed up. Now wondering whether he will carry on much longer

rickjames · « **Reply #2560 on:** December 28, 2017, 12:32:07 AM »

Root doing Root things. Will he ever sort this out?

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #2561 on:** December 28, 2017, 12:33:20 AM »

Cook looked a totally different batsman in the absence of Starc. Cook has issues with left arm seam bowlers Starc, Johnson, Khan, Amir etc. Cook lines up the right arm seamers a lot better.

Elsewhere Root once again gets out after getting to his 50. Only 13 centuries from the 48 tines he has crossed 50. A paltry 27% conversation rate.

brokenbat · « **Reply #2562 on:** December 28, 2017, 12:58:21 AM »

Boycott is being a total d**k in the comm box... I feel sorry for Hussey

Number4 · « **Reply #2563 on:** December 28, 2017, 01:10:13 AM »

Has Malan smashed that and not reviewed?

rickjames · « **Reply #2564 on:** December 28, 2017, 01:10:56 AM »

First Vince, now Malan. Jesus Christ.

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