Topic: Ashes 2017-18 (Read 407587 times)

cricketbadger · « **Reply #2925 on:** January 08, 2018, 04:13:16 PM »

Agree with most of the YJB statement, however I wouldn't say he out performed his opposite number, Paine has been very impressive with bat and gloves, justified his selection. I'm not saying either have been better than the other though, both very respectable

petehosk · « **Reply #2926 on:** January 08, 2018, 06:14:41 PM »

I'm glad that MV said that, and he was spot on!
Aussies are much closer to winning in England than England are at winning in Aus! I know it's obvious but it is worrying.
And if we don't find the right mix of players, We will rarely be good enough to win in Aus and if we are not very careful, we won't be strong enough to win at home again Aussies as well!

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #2927 on:** January 08, 2018, 07:59:52 PM »

Quote from: petehosk on January 08, 2018, 06:14:41 PM

I'm glad that MV said that, and he was spot on!
Aussies are much closer to winning in England than England are at winning in Aus! I know it's obvious but it is worrying.
And if we don't find the right mix of players, We will rarely be good enough to win in Aus and if we are not very careful, we won't be strong enough to win at home again Aussies as well!

Dunno think English county seamers in UK conditions zipping the ball around will be a a massive advantage.

ppccopener · « **Reply #2928 on:** January 08, 2018, 08:12:53 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on January 08, 2018, 07:59:52 PM

Dunno think English county seamers in UK conditions zipping the ball around will be a a massive advantage.

We should be favourites over here. I suspect we will doctor the pitches, in fact I'd put money on it so the Aussies are as uncomfortable as they can be against the moving ball...

This however does no good for the long term planning of how we can win abroad, as you mentioned @Seniorplayer and many others did, our up and down seamers could make no impact on Aussie pitches because we lack pace.Anderson was outstanding and our highest wicket taker simply because he has more skill.

I could be wrong but in shield cricket I think they are now using the Dukes ball in an attempt to get used to a moving ball more.

That is a bold move and one designed with the ashes over here in mind.overseas it normally turns more than in the UK too.....
Far as I know, only Somerset left pitches to really dry out in an attempt to win the championship-they nearly did if I recall right(runners up I think 2 seasons ago).

brokenbat · « **Reply #2929 on:** January 08, 2018, 08:20:51 PM »

hazlewood, starc, cummins will be as deadly (if not more) as english seamers on english pitches.. plus, by making green tops, you'd be making mitch marsh a much better bowler than he is in Aus. it would boil down to a battle of the two batting lineups - which currently is being won by Aus.

ppccopener · « **Reply #2930 on:** January 08, 2018, 09:13:07 PM »

Quote from: brokenbat on January 08, 2018, 08:20:51 PM

hazlewood, starc, cummins will be as deadly (if not more) as english seamers on english pitches.. plus, by making green tops, you'd be making mitch marsh a much better bowler than he is in Aus. it would boil down to a battle of the two batting lineups - which currently is being won by Aus.

If those bowlers are fit you may well be right. I think, I'm not sure on this, Australia have not won a series over here since 2001

So results say doing that so pitches move around has worked.

I'm not saying it's right, but we have played to our strengths, as the Aussies have over there.

We have been outplayed in the Ashes, Australia deserved winners and 4-0 was right, no complaints.

There is a lot at stake thou, and a series win outside of the home Country is getting much harder.

India had a chance today to chase 200 against SA and got rolled.

England as a test side have relied on helpful wickets over here.

I doubt all of that bowling line up will be fit together over here in 2019, if they are, yes we could be in trouble

rickjames · « **Reply #2931 on:** January 08, 2018, 09:29:26 PM »

Looking at the 2019 venues for the tests and wondering why we're not playing at Trent Bridge also

Biggie Smalls · « **Reply #2932 on:** January 09, 2018, 01:16:13 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 08, 2018, 08:12:53 PM

We should be favourites over here. I suspect we will doctor the pitches, in fact I'd put money on it so the Aussies are as uncomfortable as they can be against the moving ball...

This however does no good for the long term planning of how we can win abroad, as you mentioned @Seniorplayer and many others did, our up and down seamers could make no impact on Aussie pitches because we lack pace.Anderson was outstanding and our highest wicket taker simply because he has more skill.

I could be wrong but in shield cricket I think they are now using the Dukes ball in an attempt to get used to a moving ball more.

That is a bold move and one designed with the ashes over here in mind.overseas it normally turns more than in the UK too.....
Far as I know, only Somerset left pitches to really dry out in an attempt to win the championship-they nearly did if I recall right(runners up I think 2 seasons ago).

Sheffield shield are using dukes for 2nd half of the season . Good idea , and yes , very much with 2019 eng tour in mind .

HellomynameisJ · « **Reply #2933 on:** January 09, 2018, 02:54:08 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 08, 2018, 02:48:22 PM

To be fair to YJB. he spent the first two games slogging with the tail, and copped an unplayable ball in the second innings at Perth when the pitch had not dried. He is one of the few England player who can honestly say he outperformed his opposite number.

The Stokes question is interesting. Personally I think he would have made a massive difference - England would have fielded a balanced side throughout, and crucially would have had a bowler who could get the ball off straight in Australian conditions with his reverse swing. Would he have closed the gap enough to change the series result? Unlikely. Would he have changed the results of individual tests? Maybe.

I think the Bairstow Vs Paine battle is only decided by which side of the fence you stand on.

Paine 192 runs @48 with 25 catches
Bairstow 302 runs @34 with 10 catches

I think Bairstow having to bat with a woeful tail is evened out by the fact that Paine got declared on in the 30's and 40's a few times. I think they both kept well, Paine looked a bit cleaner and probably earned a few wickets with good reviews. But then again that is me looking through green and gold lenses.

delazy · « **Reply #2934 on:** January 09, 2018, 03:47:42 AM »

Quote from: Biggie Smalls on January 09, 2018, 01:16:13 AM

Sheffield shield are using dukes for 2nd half of the season . Good idea , and yes , very much with 2019 eng tour in mind .

Duke is starting to grab hold in Australia... Ive heard discussions suggesting they are pushing to be ball of choice at club level in various states where currently Kookaburra have the contract...

Personal opinion - having faced them alot more in recent net sessions it is ridiculous how much more the Duke moves compare to the kookas :/

edge · « **Reply #2935 on:** January 09, 2018, 06:51:13 AM »

Quote from: delazy on January 09, 2018, 03:47:42 AM

Personal opinion - having faced them alot more in recent net sessions it is ridiculous how much more the Duke moves compare to the kookas :/

Not surprised! I've got a couple of white Kooks and from an English point of view, they are ridiculously difficult to bowl seam/swing with. Why do Kook make them without a seam?!! Can barely get them to move off straight but they are nice to bowl short and fast with, you can definitely see why the two countries produce bowlers so differently.

Re. Australian bowlers in England - their seamers aren't suddenly going to start swinging the ball round corners with a Duke in England, just as ours don't suddenly bowl gas in Australia. They may learn the skill and playing shield games with Dukes will help, but how much shield do the test side actually play?

Number4 · « **Reply #2936 on:** January 09, 2018, 06:58:43 AM »

A ball isn�t going to make you be able to bowl fast. A ball that is easier to swing is a different story

edge · « **Reply #2937 on:** January 09, 2018, 07:07:22 AM »

Quote from: Number4 on January 09, 2018, 06:58:43 AM

A ball isn�t going to make you be able to bowl fast. A ball that is easier to swing is a different story

Point is, it's a technique thing. Hazlewood for example - classic seam bowling technique, never going to swing it too much unless he tries to bowl differently. Given he averages 25 in tests or whatever it is, I'd suggest he's rightly unlikely to go messing with his wrist position!

six and out · « **Reply #2938 on:** January 09, 2018, 07:35:30 AM »

Gillespie to take over after 2 season's at Sussex.

Ashes: Trevor Bayliss to step down as England coach in 2019 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42617727

ppccopener · « **Reply #2939 on:** January 09, 2018, 08:18:03 AM »

Quote from: six and out on January 09, 2018, 07:35:30 AM

Gillespie to take over after 2 season's at Sussex.

Ashes: Trevor Bayliss to step down as England coach in 2019 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42617727

Or farbrace to move to the top job

It needs to be someone who knows the county players for test match development

Bayliss has transformed our one day cricket, test cricket the record is not very good

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