Topic: Ashes 2019 England Team (Read 11708 times)

LateBloomer · « **Reply #30 on:** December 30, 2017, 09:19:11 PM »

Mason Crane needs to be put in the team after the current series - even if he is carried through a few Test matches to start with. Imagine the options an established leg spinner would give you home and away. This last days play just gone is one example of where it would be handy. Leg spinners create chances - Yasir Shah did well on english pitches recently and Crane turns his leggy more than him. With Stokes and Woakes as the all rounders you can afford to get Crane in.

Quote from: FattusCattus on December 30, 2017, 08:17:35 PM

I would love to see someone start working with George Garton right now.

You want a bolter? A quick, skiddy, slippery left arm over with a funky action - that should do it!

Agree, I love his action and he bowls fast.

An attack of Woakes, Stokes, Archer, Garton, Crane would look pretty good to me down the line. I wouldnt put it past Anderson to still be there in 2019 though

Would also love to know the resident Yorkshiremans view on whether Bairstow should continue keeping or play as a batsman. Does it hinder him? If so Foakes comes in at 7.

Another thing - it really is a shame that Finns pace and confidence dropped off. He should be the man ready to step in when Broad calls it a day.

FattusCattus · « **Reply #31 on:** December 30, 2017, 09:23:06 PM »

I'm not sure a fragile quick is really that much of a helpr at the moment - I refer you to the reticence to select Mr Wood.

A fit quick in a 5 man attack would be nice.

If I could fast forward a year or two, how exciting would be -

Stokes
Roland-Jones
Wood
Garton
Crane

Plenty of variety and bats down to 10.

Manormanic · « **Reply #32 on:** December 30, 2017, 10:05:21 PM »

Quote from: LateBloomer on December 30, 2017, 09:19:11 PM

Would also love to know the resident Yorkshiremans view on whether Bairstow should continue keeping or play as a batsman. Does it hinder him? If so Foakes comes in at 7

You called?

I think this is one of the big questions around the make up of the England side. On the one hand, history has proved that keeping and being a frontline bat is not a long term option. On the other, YJB has been clear that he embraces it.

Eventually, the decision will be forced - he's pushing six foot, eventually wear and tear on either/or knees and back will make him a batsman only. Personally, I'd force it sooner, as soon as Stokes is back. Cook/Stoneman/Malam/Root/Bairstow/Stokes/Foakes looks right to me.

In terms of the next Ashes... tricky to call. Bolters for me are Garton and Matt Fisher (potentially a quicker Broad from back when Broad could bat). The more interesting thread would be our 2021 side.

LateBloomer · « **Reply #33 on:** December 31, 2017, 03:27:55 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on December 30, 2017, 10:05:21 PM

You called?

I think this is one of the big questions around the make up of the England side. On the one hand, history has proved that keeping and being a frontline bat is not a long term option. On the other, YJB has been clear that he embraces it.

Eventually, the decision will be forced - he's pushing six foot, eventually wear and tear on either/or knees and back will make him a batsman only. Personally, I'd force it sooner, as soon as Stokes is back. Cook/Stoneman/Malam/Root/Bairstow/Stokes/Foakes looks right to me.

As i suspected really, he hasnt let England down by any means in the role but I feel he could add 10 runs onto his average as a pure batsman. I think Alec Stewart was in a similar position at some point in his career whilst batting in the top 3

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 31, 2017, 09:05:30 AM »

Quote from: LateBloomer on December 31, 2017, 03:27:55 AM

As i suspected really, he hasnt let England down by any means in the role but I feel he could add 10 runs onto his average as a pure batsman. I think Alec Stewart was in a similar position at some point in his career whilst batting in the top 3

Bairstow is also the one guy who I think has the technique to bat at 3

He also has the allround game. Defensively strong enough to come in at 0-1 and the attaching prowess to come in at 150-1

Also opens in Odis so used to being up there

Perfect number 3 with or without the gloves! Means we can bring in a number 6/7 specialist bat like hales or Roy

Imagine a middle order of root Malan stokes hales/Roy woakes it�s be back to the strength of 2005

six and out · « **Reply #35 on:** December 31, 2017, 09:09:49 AM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on December 31, 2017, 09:05:30 AM

Bairstow is also the one guy who I think has the technique to bat at 3

He also has the allround game. Defensively strong enough to come in at 0-1 and the attaching prowess to come in at 150-1

Also opens in Odis so used to being up there

Perfect number 3 with or without the gloves! Means we can bring in a number 6/7 specialist bat like hales or Roy

Imagine a middle order of root Malan stokes hales/Roy woakes it�s be back to the strength of 2005

There is no way Bairstow can keep and bat 3. Can you imagine keeping for 2 days then possibly batting in the 1st over.

I never knew how Stewart did it and ultimately thats why he gave keeping up.

Bat at 5 and keep a definite possibility and Malan maybe bat 3.

petehosk · « **Reply #36 on:** December 31, 2017, 09:12:54 AM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on December 31, 2017, 09:05:30 AM

Perfect number 3 with or without the gloves! Means we can bring in a number 6/7 specialist bat like hales or Roy

Imagine a middle order of root Malan stokes hales/Roy woakes it�s be back to the strength of 2005

I think the point of moving Bairstow up the order is so that he can become pur batsman? In which case you have to have Foakes in at 7 or 8?

ppccopener · « **Reply #37 on:** December 31, 2017, 09:38:10 AM »

Stewart batted 5 and kept, or opened and kept and was quite simply for a lot of his career...superb.

I'm not sure myself about Bairstow playing as a batter only. Don't know much about Foakes batting but do know he is highly rated as a keeper

Stokes is bolt on number 6 for us which means JB would need to bat 5.

If JB did play as a batsman only that would mean less batting spots available. Vince/Malan might not both be in the team together, hameed might find it hard to get in.

Depending on you view of how we move forward...maybe competition for places(batting) is what we need now.

Some of the batsmen who have played in recent years, in my opinion, have not done enough

LateBloomer · « **Reply #38 on:** December 31, 2017, 11:06:17 PM »

Hameed will find it very hard to get in - because his runs have dried up. Cooks just scored a double ton and Stonemans done ok on his first tour. Bairstow, Root and Stokes have to play when available which leaves 2 spots in the top 7. I think Malan should keep his place. Could question Vinces place although if it wasnt for that freak delivery from Starc he'd have a ton like Malan

After the NZ tour I'd get Foakes in at 7 and get Bairstow up the order. Malan/Vince/ANOther can battle it out for the spare spot on the green championship wickets of April!

fros23 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 31, 2017, 11:55:30 PM »

Quote from: six and out on December 31, 2017, 09:09:49 AM

There is no way Bairstow can keep and bat 3. Can you imagine keeping for 2 days then possibly batting in the 1st over.

I never knew how Stewart did it and ultimately thats why he gave keeping up.

Bat at 5 and keep a definite possibility and Malan maybe bat 3.

Only 4 players have made over 1000 test runs batting at 3 or higher whilst keeping and only Sangakarra averaged over 40 so would suggest that it's probably not the best option to take.

smilley792 · « **Reply #40 on:** January 01, 2018, 12:07:38 AM »

Stoneman
Hammeed
Cook(yes at 3, avoid new ball and he's got a few years self in him)
Root
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Crane
And then Any combo. Of

Anderson, Curran, woakes, Overton, roland Jones

If it's a real seamers track drop crane and Root and malan can provide spin to a better quality than mo did this tour.......

petehosk · « **Reply #41 on:** January 01, 2018, 12:13:15 AM »

Quote from: smilley792 on January 01, 2018, 12:07:38 AM

Stoneman
Hammeed
Cook(yes at 3, avoid new ball and he's got a few years self in him)
Root
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Crane
And then Any combo. Of
Anderson, Curran, woakes, Overton, roland Jones

If it's a real steamers track drop crane and Root and malan can provide spin to a better quality than mo did this tour.......

I wouldn't dismiss Mo quite so quickly!

smilley792 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 01, 2018, 12:34:17 AM »

Quote from: petehosk on January 01, 2018, 12:13:15 AM

I wouldn't dismiss Mo quite so quickly!

Alis bowling figures against Australia only in tests(home and away) is an average of 63! 63.

We need a proper spin bowler not a pretend one.

His batting average is only 28 as well, but........ Baring malan and cook, no one else in line has one in the 40s, so probably ain't that bad compared.

Ian Bell averages 41 vs aus.........

brokenbat · « **Reply #43 on:** January 01, 2018, 12:39:46 AM »

Quote from: smilley792 on January 01, 2018, 12:34:17 AM

Alis bowling figures against Australia only in tests(home and away) is an average of 63! 63.

We need a proper spin bowler not a pretend one.

His batting average is only 28 as well, but........ Baring malan and cook, no one else in line has one in the 40s, so probably ain't that bad compared.

Ian Bell averages 41 vs aus.........

Root looks like a much better offie than mooen.. why doesn't he bowl more? Fitness issues?

Number4 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 01, 2018, 01:08:30 AM »

Quote from: smilley792 on January 01, 2018, 12:34:17 AM

Alis bowling figures against Australia only in tests(home and away) is an average of 63! 63.

We need a proper spin bowler not a pretend one.

His batting average is only 28 as well, but........ Baring malan and cook, no one else in line has one in the 40s, so probably ain't that bad compared.

Ian Bell averages 41 vs aus.........

To be honest Malan looked a much better bowling option than Ali

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