Topic: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand (Read 21679 times)

jamielsn15 · « **Reply #75 on:** January 10, 2018, 10:32:42 PM »

I'm alright with the squad. Different conditions to Oz, ball will seam more, gives stoneman and vince another challenge and two tests to see if they can make a score. If not, start the english summer afresh. Livingstone may be alongbfir the experience and a closer look.

Certainly won't be easy. Boult and Southee have made us look silly before. Add Wagner to the mix and Williamson, Taylor in home conditions and it will be a challenge. Should be more familiar for our players though. Anderson, woakes and Broad will get more out of NZ pitches and Moeen deserves a go. Stokes i doubt will tour

golders · « **Reply #76 on:** January 10, 2018, 10:51:06 PM »

Still no Leach?!Surely they must think he chucks it.
Wood again?Can only manage 5 overs of 88mph then pulls up. Was hoping for at least one new face in the pace bowling department. Pleased about Livingston though.
Woakes,Ali and Broad are lucky boys.

ppccopener · « **Reply #77 on:** January 10, 2018, 11:02:26 PM »

Something to think about, with or without Stokes we will surely only play one spinner.....

If Ali is not the spinner does he get in the first test? If Foakes does play that may reduce the chances.

And I don't want to be a doom monger but this two test series is a Helluva banana skin

I'm not sure we are favourites. NZ are decent and at home.I can see us losing this series.

joeljonno · « **Reply #78 on:** January 10, 2018, 11:22:38 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 10, 2018, 11:02:26 PM

Something to think about, with or without Stokes we will surely only play one spinner.....

If Ali is not the spinner does he get in the first test? If Foakes does play that may reduce the chances.

And I don't want to be a doom monger but this two test series is a Helluva banana skin

I'm not sure we are favourites. NZ are decent and at home.I can see us losing this series.

Unless they are thinking of trying Moeen at 3 and as a second spinner?

Cook
Stoneman
Ali
Root
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Broad
Crane
Anderson

And if Stokes doesn�t play, then Foakes or Livingstone in?

golders · « **Reply #79 on:** January 10, 2018, 11:30:56 PM »

Ali at 3?After the way he batted in Australia?! Vince has possibly one more test then in comes Livingston

joeljonno · « **Reply #80 on:** January 10, 2018, 11:36:59 PM »

Quote from: golders on January 10, 2018, 11:30:56 PM

Ali at 3?After the way he batted in Australia?! Vince has possibly one more test then in comes Livingston

If you take the Australian series, then we have a lot of holes to fill.

I suppose you could move him to 7 and have Bairstow at 3?

Can�t see what Vince brings, you may as well go straight to Livingstone in that case.

ppccopener · « **Reply #81 on:** January 10, 2018, 11:37:20 PM »

Quote from: golders on January 10, 2018, 11:30:56 PM

Ali at 3?After the way he batted in Australia?! Vince has possibly one more test then in comes Livingston

If that was the case is Livingstone a 3 or malan move up and he slots in that position

He is a hard hitting middle order player this guy?

beaver5 · « **Reply #82 on:** January 10, 2018, 11:42:48 PM »

Not that I think Balance should have been picked to go to Australia in the first place, but how can they justify dropping him and keeping all the batters that just got us smashed 4-0?
Doesn't look good on the selectors! I think Ali and Broad are very lucky to have been selected also.

jamielsn15 · « **Reply #83 on:** January 11, 2018, 07:34:25 AM »

^ or perhaps Ballance hasn't shown them anything to get excited about during the tour? Obviously he's not playing, but there's still nets. If he's still not changed his game enough it's the definition of insanity expecting a different result.

I agree that NZ is a series we can easily lose. Quite telling from MV on BT sport, saying how hard Malan worked on his deficiences in the nets while Stoneman, after being hit, stuck to focusing on half volleys on off stump in the nets. If Vince and Stoneman have a poor series they're gone and I reckon the selectors are looking then at Livingstone and hoping Hameed has a great start to the season

Kulli · « **Reply #84 on:** January 11, 2018, 07:46:14 AM »

Quote from: beaver5 on January 10, 2018, 11:42:48 PM

Not that I think Balance should have been picked to go to Australia in the first place, but how can they justify dropping him and keeping all the batters that just got us smashed 4-0?
Doesn't look good on the selectors! I think Ali and Broad are very lucky to have been selected also.

perhaps they felt GB was a solid back up on hard bouncy tracks, but they don�t fancy him on green seamers in NZ.

Big Mac · « **Reply #85 on:** January 11, 2018, 09:27:42 AM »

Quote from: rickjames on January 10, 2018, 10:14:35 PM

It was announced at 10pm https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/590619/england-name-test-squad-for-new-zealand-tour

You can all stop picking names out of your county hats, thank you

Clever from the selectors to have no photo next to Livingstone's name, makes it easy to sneak a ringer into the team if things look desperate.

FattusCattus · « **Reply #86 on:** January 11, 2018, 09:32:13 AM »

If I have understood about Livingstone, he is a middle-order stroke player and he has rapidly been developing handy offies and leggies.

I think he's in the squad to shadow Ali and be a like for like replacement if ali fails in the first test.

Ali at 3 is unthinkable. I'm assuming stokes won't play and the management won't make any brave decisions, so the starting XI will look something like -

Cook
Stoneman
Vince
Root
Malan
Bairstow+
Ali
Woakes
Overton
Broad
Anderson

personally, I would have gone for -

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Malan
Bairstow+
Livingstone
Woakes
Overton
Wood
Crane
Anderson

Rob580 · « **Reply #87 on:** January 11, 2018, 10:27:49 AM »

Quote from: FattusCattus on January 11, 2018, 09:32:13 AM

personally, I would have gone for -

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Malan
Bairstow+
Livingstone
Woakes
Overton
Wood
Crane
Anderson

This is the team in my head. I'd personally have Livingstone above Bairstow, just to beak them up a bit, given the tail looks a bit long, but this has to be the best we've got at the moment.

I've never overly rated Ali, he can be economical in one day cricket, but his bowling isn't penetrative enough for Test Cricket. His batting just isn't solid enough either to be honest, I get the counterattack argument, and that works if you're Ben Stokes but sometimes it needs a little bit of application and if he hasn't figured it out by now, I'm not sure he ever will.

jamielsn15 · « **Reply #88 on:** January 11, 2018, 11:30:58 AM »

To be fair to Moeen, he's never said he's a frontline spinner, he much prefers to be second in line. Stokes completely shafted plans and a well balanced side which would probably have seen Malan at 3 by the third test, Moeen at 5 and allowed a second spinner.

Moeen had an awful series but he's been very useful for England for three years now.

six and out · « **Reply #89 on:** January 11, 2018, 11:38:43 AM »

Quote from: FattusCattus on January 11, 2018, 09:32:13 AM

If I have understood about Livingstone, he is a middle-order stroke player and he has rapidly been developing handy offies and leggies.

I think he's in the squad to shadow Ali and be a like for like replacement if ali fails in the first test.

Ali at 3 is unthinkable. I'm assuming stokes won't play and the management won't make any brave decisions, so the starting XI will look something like -

Cook
Stoneman
Vince
Root
Malan
Bairstow+
Ali
Woakes
Overton
Broad
Anderson

personally, I would have gone for -

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Malan
Bairstow+
Livingstone
Woakes
Overton
Wood
Crane
Anderson

Yep i think this is is right they will start with exactly the same side that played the majority of the Ashes.

Livingstone and Crane along for the ride - unless Stokes is somehow available which then gives us a lot more options to think about.

Wood is an interesting selection as the question surely is still there about his fitness.

I think it is this tour, more than the Ashes, that could end a few careers. Vince and Stoneman will be facing Southee and Boult on decks that will do a bit and Ali will be bowling to 2 of the best players of spin around (outside of the SC) in Taylor and Williamson.

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