Topic: England test tour to New Zealand (Read 62649 times)

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #180 on:** March 22, 2018, 05:31:21 PM »

No one proclaiming Dean Elgar as a great batsman. He plays within his limitations and it's worked pretty well for him. Decent average of 41 and 11 hundreds not actually to be sniffed at. He'd walk into our starting XI

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #181 on:** March 22, 2018, 05:44:05 PM »

Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on March 22, 2018, 05:31:21 PM

No one proclaiming Dean Elgar as a great batsman. He plays within his limitations and it's worked pretty well for him. Decent average of 41 and 11 hundreds not actually to be sniffed at. He'd walk into our starting XI

No one said he wouldn�t fella.

Alvaro · « **Reply #182 on:** March 22, 2018, 05:44:51 PM »

English players have historically scored fewer hundreds per innings relative to other nations.

Manormanic · « **Reply #183 on:** March 22, 2018, 06:12:31 PM »

Elgar would get into most test sides of the last 30 years. He knows what he can do, what he can't, and the value of his wicket (in blood)

Northern monkey · « **Reply #184 on:** March 22, 2018, 07:06:32 PM »

Just watched the highlights, all five minutes of England�s batting

What a shower of sh&#e

Overton showed em how to bat, the rest should be docked their match fees for that embarrassment

six and out · « **Reply #185 on:** March 22, 2018, 07:28:57 PM »

Everyone is talking about the batting because it is the glaring bit of crap at the moment.

However.... genuine question for you.... if we had got 350-400 do you think we would win this anyways on this wicket?

A little stat for you... we have only taken 20 wickets in an away test 3 times in the last 4 away series (and we lost 2 of those games).

cricketbadger · « **Reply #186 on:** March 22, 2018, 07:29:05 PM »

Thought Elgar would get a mention in this thread. Been impressed with him this series, as has already mentioned he plays within his limits and grinds it out. Fantastic approach to the longer form of the game, noticeably doesn't play any white ball cricket for SA. All our white ball players failed to score today, and imo played extravegent shots especially in the situation they found themselves in

Buzz · « **Reply #187 on:** March 22, 2018, 08:28:53 PM »

Quote from: six and out on March 22, 2018, 07:28:57 PM

Everyone is talking about the batting because it is the glaring bit of crap at the moment.

However.... genuine question for you.... if we had got 350-400 do you think we would win this anyways on this wicket?

A little stat for you... we have only taken 20 wickets in an away test 3 times in the last 4 away series (and we lost 2 of those games).

The two are linked. You need runs to give the bowlers more of a chance, plus scoreboard pressure.
But I agree, our bowlers have been toothless overseas for ages.

six and out · « **Reply #188 on:** March 22, 2018, 08:36:44 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on March 22, 2018, 08:28:53 PM

The two are linked. You need runs to give the bowlers more of a chance, plus scoreboard pressure.
But I agree, our bowlers have been toothless overseas for ages.

That's why I ask the question Buzz because I don't think we would win this game even with the scoreboard pressure of runs on the board.

Northern monkey · « **Reply #189 on:** March 22, 2018, 08:53:23 PM »

If England don�t get 300 plus when they bat again, that�s it for me,watching this rubbish.

They are supposed to be the pinnacle of English cricket, and paid handsomely for their time, I�m not gonna waste anymore of mine being ashamed and embarrassed watching it.
The whole set up is a joke, they are worse than politicians

ppccopener · « **Reply #190 on:** March 22, 2018, 08:55:22 PM »

Quote from: six and out on March 22, 2018, 08:36:44 PM

That's why I ask the question Buzz because I don't think we would win this game even with the scoreboard pressure of runs on the board.

You're completely off down the wrong line thou. The amount of runs we can put on the board in a five day game massively affects our chances of winning, he whole game would change from players confidence to the fields Root can set, to, yes, scoreboard pressure....

If we did post 250-300 we are raking time out of he game if we can't win it, so more chance of a drawn match.Call me old fashioned but I'd a rather we draw a game than lose it 99 times out of 100.

We just dont score enough runs...it's not the bowlers fault, and What on earth is Ali doing at 9? We must have a specialist bowler, a spinner preferably in that position.

Put yourself in Root's position for start of play tommorow, over attack to get back in the game and leak runs so they get too many, under attack and we didn't get the wickets and rely on them 'giving us' some?

He is actually in a very very difficult position.

Look at the SA game today, they have batted all day a is to the superb Elgar and still have two wickets left....

I must be seeing our match very different to others on here. I'm not always right thou

six and out · « **Reply #191 on:** March 22, 2018, 09:04:51 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 22, 2018, 08:55:22 PM

You're completely off down the wrong line thou. The amount of runs we can put on the board in a five day game massively affects our chances of winning, he whole game would change from players confidence to the fields Root can set, to, yes, scoreboard pressure....

If we did post 250-300 we are raking time out of he game if we can't win it, so more chance of a drawn match.Call me old fashioned but I'd a rather we draw a game than lose it 99 times out of 100.

We just dont score enough runs...it's not the bowlers fault, and What on earth is Ali doing at 9? We must have a specialist bowler, a spinner preferably in that position.

Put yourself in Root's position for start of play tommorow, over attack to get back in the game and leak runs so they get too many, under attack and we didn't get the wickets and rely on them 'giving us' some?

He is actually in a very very difficult position.

Look at the SA game today, they have batted all day a is to the superb Elgar and still have two wickets left....

I must be seeing our match very different to others on here. I'm not always right thou

Look I am not saying for 1 millisecond that the batting is ok because quite clearly it isn't.

But you need to take 20 wickets to win a test match no matter how many runs you score. You can score 600 and force as much scoreboard pressure as you want but if you have a same old same old toothless attack. It will just be a draw.

And that's if you win the toss and bat 1st and score runs!

Calzehbhoy · « **Reply #192 on:** March 22, 2018, 09:40:14 PM »

Personally believe a huge part of the batting issue is actually Cook and this is making us question where Root/Stokes/Bairstow should be batting. Cook just is not the reliable & dependable opener he once was. If he was this would enable a Stoneman/Hameed/next cab off the rank to bed in!

With Stoneman now showing he is not good enough to be there despite the early promise England are left without a 1,2 or 3 that is any good.

We need to pick 3 players that we believe have the game ( 2 + Hameed in my opinion) and just stick with them and try and build a top order that can protect this middle order a little and give them a platform to score runs.

KD4 · « **Reply #193 on:** March 22, 2018, 09:44:53 PM »

Quote from: six and out on March 22, 2018, 09:04:51 PM

Look I am not saying for 1 millisecond that the batting is ok because quite clearly it isn't.

But you need to take 20 wickets to win a test match no matter how many runs you score. You can score 600 and force as much scoreboard pressure as you want but if you have a same old same old toothless attack. It will just be a draw.

And that's if you win the toss and bat 1st and score runs!

The problem with our bowling is that it just seems to be too similar. There isn't any variety in the bowlers. Also we don't have a proper spin bowler because is essentially a part timer.

skip1973 · « **Reply #194 on:** March 22, 2018, 10:08:53 PM »

Bowlers win games, batsmen save them.

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