Topic: England test tour to New Zealand (Read 62640 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #210 on:** March 24, 2018, 08:55:05 AM »

Quote from: stevat on March 23, 2018, 11:23:12 PM

Never said that it was, just think his technique isn't prohibitive to a decent test career. He's not exactly the most aesthetically pleasing to watch bat, but he's compact and certainly seems watchful in county cricket at least. You think test cricket is a step too far?

Yes. He�s simply not quite good enough. At least to his credit he�s dug in a few times. Sadly, he just isn�t upto standard

ppccopener · « **Reply #211 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:03:54 AM »

Quote from: golders on March 24, 2018, 07:07:28 AM

Obviously day one was very disappointing for an England fan like me.
Really pleased with how we have performed on days two and three though-lots to feel more positive about!

We are really clinging on to anything here! Williamson will declare tonight presuming there is play which still leaves plenty of time to bowl us out

I'm normally an optimist but I don't see us reaching the 171 just to get even.

golders · « **Reply #212 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:05:14 AM »

Stoneman has played a few tests-5 of them against the Aussies,in Australia!Needs a big score granted but give the lad a chance

golders · « **Reply #213 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:06:15 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 24, 2018, 09:03:54 AM

We are really clinging on to anything here! Williamson will declare tonight presuming there is play which still leaves plenty of time to bowl us out

I'm normally an optimist but I don't see us reaching the 171 just to get even.

Hah I know!We would if Vince was playing...!

ppccopener · « **Reply #214 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:08:59 AM »

Yes I think Stoneman more of a chance he has done ok with nothing special.

I quite like the way he plays and I'm afraid you have to look to the alternatives, we have to at least pick someone clearly better .

hameed long term for me, but nothing from him in the last year so really hard to pick him now

And the bigger question will be what's happens when Cook goes?

six and out · « **Reply #215 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:15:48 AM »

Is Stoneman not the exact scenario they had with Carberry when they binned him off.

Both did ok opening up without being great in a very bad losing series, when up against a very good Australia bowling unit.

ppccopener · « **Reply #216 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:22:22 AM »

Carberry most defiantly deserved to play after the Ashes, he got a very raw deal

I think he was around 34 and Stoneman is around 31 so they may well give him more time as he could be opening for a few years yet.

Carberry maybe they thought was the wrong side of 30

That's my take on it.

I would stick with Stoneman thru this summer as well. I could not give you another name better suited to the job

I'm 90 per cent certain Jennings will return for us at some point

procricket · « **Reply #217 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:39:15 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 24, 2018, 09:22:22 AM

Carberry most defiantly deserved to play after the Ashes, he got a very raw deal

I think he was around 34 and Stoneman is around 31 so they may well give him more time as he could be opening for a few years yet.

Carberry maybe they thought was the wrong side of 30

That's my take on it.

I would stick with Stoneman thru this summer as well. I could not give you another name better suited to the job

I'm 90 per cent certain Jennings will return for us at some point

And that is the real issue

Only Burns (Surrey) and Browne (Essex) from Division one are worthy mentions but between them they only managed 2 hundreds in the CC1 last year.

Then from division 2

Only really Denly or Mitchell or Northeast come out with any real credit oh and Luke Wells.

Of abtters need to be given a go Dan Lawrence at somestage possibly batting at 5.

jamielsn15 · « **Reply #218 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:44:46 AM »

There has to be something in the lack of decent preparation for overseas tours. We had no decent opposition for the ashes and Agnew said on commentary that two weeks ago Cook was lambing on the farm. Nets and sub standardbopposition are not effective preparation at elite levels. The ICC schedules mean there's no opportunities for strong opponents and home boards don't put up decent sides.

I agree with the opinion that there should be a requirement to play at least two first class warm up matches. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail. Or the seven Ps if you wish...

As an aside, we have a new guy attending our club nets of a Thursday evening. Has one of James Vince's bats. He looked great, two stunning cover drives then knicked off. How life imitates art...

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #219 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:55:30 AM »

Talking of openers what about Alex Davies form Lancashire

Could do a job with the gloves to to take them off bairstow if we promote him up the order

Johnny · « **Reply #220 on:** March 24, 2018, 10:00:25 AM »

Al has had one very good season with Lancs. I think he needs to show that it wasn't a one off before he gets full England recognition. I seem to recall he did ok in the lions tour without being spectacular. I kind of feel sorry for him in terms of it being hard to define his role. Is he a keeper or a batsmen? I don't think opening and keeping would be sustainable, though from hearing him in interviews that seems to be what he wants to do. He has youth on his side at the moment though.

procricket · « **Reply #221 on:** March 24, 2018, 10:03:17 AM »

Quote from: Johnny on March 24, 2018, 10:00:25 AM

Al has had one very good season with Lancs. I think he needs to show that it wasn't a one off before he gets full England recognition. I seem to recall he did ok in the lions tour without being spectacular. I kind of feel sorry for him in terms of it being hard to define his role. Is he a keeper or a batsmen? I don't think opening and keeping would be sustainable, though from hearing him in interviews that seems to be what he wants to do. He has youth on his side at the moment though.

Ben Foakes is miles ahead in every aspect for me.(Even from a Lancastrian).

I agree though if he does better than he did last year he can not be a million miles away.

edge · « **Reply #222 on:** March 24, 2018, 10:03:29 AM »

Carberry battled and stuck around and wasn't completely terrible in his Ashes games, but watching you got the sense that he was batting at the top of his ability to do that well. Combined with age and beyond shocking fielding, I never understood why people were so surprised he got dropped! Maybe a tad harsh, but wasn't unjustified. Stoneman's not done that well and has even looked a bit poor at times, but does at least look like there's more to come if he can get comfortable at test level.

@alexhilly1492 taking the gloves off Bairstow so he can bat higher up the order... and giving them to a young lad we also want to try and open the batting?!

If Stoneman and then possibly Hameed don't come good then maybe we'll just have to settle for having opening batsmen who aren't that good... No test side with two settled good openers (40+ average) at the moment to be fair.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #223 on:** March 24, 2018, 10:06:06 AM »

@edge I�m not saying straight away but it�s an option he did a good job keeping and opening for lancs last season, if he had another good year in the cc he had to be looked at!

If that�s a role he�s succeeding with back him and let him continue that will free bairstow up to bat at 3/4/5 rather than 7

Which means we can bring in another batter/bowler

procricket · « **Reply #224 on:** March 24, 2018, 10:07:13 AM »

Quote from: edge on March 24, 2018, 10:03:29 AM

Carberry battled and stuck around and wasn't completely terrible in his Ashes games, but watching you got the sense that he was batting at the top of his ability to do that well. Combined with age and beyond shocking fielding, I never understood why people were so surprised he got dropped! Maybe a tad harsh, but wasn't unjustified. Stoneman's not done that well and has even looked a bit poor at times, but does at least look like there's more to come if he can get comfortable at test level.

@alexhilly1492 taking the gloves off Bairstow so he can bat higher up the order... and giving them to a young lad we also want to try and open the batting?!

If Stoneman and then possibly Hameed don't come good then maybe we'll just have to settle for having opening batsmen who aren't that good... No test side with two settled good openers (40+ average) at the moment to be fair.

I think South Africa will have very soon or do already but agree the standard is just not there. I had a quick look at the CC Averages and there nobody screaming out with bat or bowl pick me, bar maybe Stoneman and Balance.

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