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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #240 on: March 25, 2018, 08:00:42 AM »

Cook’s poor record in NZ continues - he only seems to get runs these days if the pitch is a road.

Another wicket before close would be perfect
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #241 on: March 25, 2018, 08:32:32 AM »

Argh.
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« Reply #242 on: March 25, 2018, 08:36:19 AM »

So again. We talked about this during the ashes. Stoneman kind of does ok for 30-50 ish then for some reason decides to start playing all mannor or aggressive shots and gets out. It’s simpky brain dead batting.

Test batting isn’t All about skill but is about the mental side.. this game again means runs were meaningless. He didn’t need to play an attacking shot as England can’t win the game.. he was purely playing for the draw as NZ have batted us out the game.. it’s just stupid

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All that load of utter garbage this modern set of players come out with

Oh and cook looks done again in all bar his 200 odd in the ashes

Agree with you to a certain extent. The best players seem either to have a low score or a very big score, look at Williamson for example, Stoneman seems to be in between

He is getting runs and doing ok....it's a bit odd I agree. We need big scores as everyone knows you can get a good ball or unlucky early in an innings

Everything seems to get blamed on the modern game, for me it's just a question of how mentally tough you are.

The best batsmen in the world at the moment bat big, big hundreds....that has nothing to do wi modern play, it's just how good you are

I would stick with Stoneman and I like Malan....but we need so one else coming in who is 'good enough' to bat for a day on his own
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #243 on: March 25, 2018, 08:42:17 AM »

Young Joe loves a half century...
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #244 on: March 25, 2018, 08:45:24 AM »

Young Joe loves a half century...

oh my lord I give up!

Why did Root not just cone off retired hurt? He had the physio out there was obviously in pain.... time was up... Just come off... and the days up!! FFS.
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #245 on: March 25, 2018, 08:48:04 AM »

That spell from Boult at the end! Troubled them with his pace and short stuff - complete contrast to the swing in the first innings
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #246 on: March 25, 2018, 09:15:06 AM »

Re the Stoneman and Root dismisals, as well as some of the Ashes dismissals, does anyone else feel like the England batsmen need someone else to do their thinking for them?

I wonder how Baylis, Ramps, Thorpe et al work on their mindsets?

Feels like the annoyingly talented git in 3rd XI who could win you games but keeps holing out for 8 because “it’s the way he plays “ 😡
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #247 on: March 25, 2018, 09:43:45 AM »

I see Woakes and Ali wicketless again - anyone see how well we actually bowled ?
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #248 on: March 25, 2018, 09:54:35 AM »

It's so frustrating with Joe. Just seems to get to 50 and then gets out.
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #249 on: March 25, 2018, 09:56:16 AM »

Woakes lacks wicket taking abilities at the very top level. Read on twitter he took 34 wickets at home two summers ago at 17 against Sri Lanka and Pakistan. His remaining 26 wickets have come at 60 a piece.

Moeen is Moeen. Just not a test cricketer
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #250 on: March 25, 2018, 09:56:29 AM »

It's so frustrating with Joe. Just seems to get to 50 and then gets out.

He was got out by Boult as opposed to throwing it away. He should’ve gone off after being struck on the finger. Wouldn’t surprise me if that’s a broken digit
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #251 on: March 25, 2018, 10:08:35 AM »

He was got out by Boult as opposed to throwing it away. He should’ve gone off after being struck on the finger. Wouldn’t surprise me if that’s a broken digit

Exactly so for me that is 50/50.... great ball from Boult to get him on the hand.... but then Root should have gone off which was ultimately what got him out.... not think you are this unbeatable batsman who can do anything you like!
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #252 on: March 25, 2018, 10:10:07 AM »

That’s kind of my point Newey - they seem to lack the ability to think smart! Whack on the finger at the end of the day, off we pop thanks!
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #253 on: March 25, 2018, 01:29:25 PM »

Agree with you to a certain extent. The best players seem either to have a low score or a very big score, look at Williamson for example, Stoneman seems to be in between

He is getting runs and doing ok....it's a bit odd I agree. We need big scores as everyone knows you can get a good ball or unlucky early in an innings

Everything seems to get blamed on the modern game, for me it's just a question of how mentally tough you are.

The best batsmen in the world at the moment bat big, big hundreds....that has nothing to do wi modern play, it's just how good you are

I would stick with Stoneman and I like Malan....but we need so one else coming in who is 'good enough' to bat for a day on his own

The mental side is part of the modern game though. That’s kind of the point. Not only does white ball / win lose mean you lose technical aspects in the hunt for risky runs but you also change the mentality of players.

Suddenly being able to happily occupy the crease becomes harder as they want to score a run a ball.. be busy.. hit boundaries etc etc

You simply don’t get many players able to genuinely bat in all formats because it’s so different . If they do pay all formats, then they are likely to be compromising
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Re: England test tour to New Zealand
« Reply #254 on: March 25, 2018, 02:23:12 PM »

Our attack is toothless. Heard a stat this winter that Anderson and Broad combined average 33, the rest of the attack combined average 70. That tells it all.
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