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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #375 on: May 30, 2018, 07:03:11 PM »
Sam Curran is in the test squad..! Stokes nursing a hammy apparently.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #376 on: May 30, 2018, 07:17:55 PM »
Quote from: golders on May 30, 2018, 06:51:34 PM
Get rid of Broad been average for too long,sends the wrong message

He's been fabulous for years, I'm no bowler but he does look to be labouring to me.

You do wonder whether Woakes or Craig Overton would do a very similar job, and in Overton clearly he is a better batsman down the order.

Broad is not offering any runs at all. The special spells seem to have gone as well.

Maybe too many overs have caught up with him a bit.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #377 on: May 30, 2018, 07:19:08 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on May 30, 2018, 06:11:07 PM

Also a prickly interview in the Guardian with Anderson, who was rumoured to have had a bust of with a bowling coach last year, perhaps not taking kindly to Bayliss comments 'we are telling the players the same message'

Which I read to mean the players continue not to listen to advice...

I don't believe all is well in the England camp myself.

From that interview: "Some people think they might know better than me but I’d like to think that, after 15 years of playing Test cricket, I know which lengths to bowl on certain pitches."
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #378 on: May 30, 2018, 08:23:07 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on May 30, 2018, 07:17:55 PM
He's been fabulous for years, I'm no bowler but he does look to be labouring to me.

You do wonder whether Woakes or Craig Overton would do a very similar job, and in Overton clearly he is a better batsman down the order.

Broad is not offering any runs at all. The special spells seem to have gone as well.

Maybe too many overs have caught up with him a bit.
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Really do hope he bowls like he did in the second NZ  test as for His  batting he used to be an opener but  its gone downhill since that blow  to the face he's sees the square leg leg etc go back and thinks bouncer coming then gets bowled
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #379 on: May 31, 2018, 08:35:49 AM »
Sam Curran is never ready for Test cricket.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #380 on: May 31, 2018, 08:50:28 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on May 31, 2018, 08:35:49 AM
Sam Curran is never ready for Test cricket.

He may not be ready, he might be. We've not seen enough of him in county cricket but the way he bowled against Yorkshire makes me certain I'm very much ready to find out.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #381 on: May 31, 2018, 09:23:40 AM »
Two years too early, although it's nice to maybe have a left armer involved. If Stokes can only bat I'd prefer they just left him out to be honest.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #382 on: May 31, 2018, 09:42:36 AM »
What is this obsession with having to be a certain age to be any good or "ready"? Surely the only way to know if he's ready or not is chuck him in and see how he gets on?

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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #383 on: May 31, 2018, 09:53:16 AM »
Quote from: Calzehbhoy on May 31, 2018, 09:42:36 AM
What is this obsession with having to be a certain age to be any good or "ready"? Surely the only way to know if he's ready or not is chuck him in and see how he gets on?

completely agree with this
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #384 on: May 31, 2018, 10:46:01 AM »
For those saying Sam "isn't ready".
As a batsman he clearly has a long way to go, but that isn't why he has been picked.
As a bowler he has over 100 first division first class wickets and isn't 20 yet. At headingly he can do a job.
When Anderson played he hadn't bowled as many overs as Sam has. Sam has more control than Anderson had at the same age.

Clearly if Stokes can't play then Buttler moves to 6 and Woakes plays, but Sam could do a job batting at 9 after Bess and offers variation.

Also having him see first hand how Anderson and Broad prepare will be great.

Finally having Sam bowling in the nets to the England batsman over the next few days won't do them any harm either.

This negatively around the selection of Sam is ridiculous.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #385 on: May 31, 2018, 10:54:04 AM »
Drop Broad, don't risk Stokes.

Cook
Jennings
Root
Malan
Bairstow
Buttler
Curran
Woakes
Bess
Wood
Anderson

Arguably bats down to 9, with 5 bowlers and 2 x part-timers.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #386 on: May 31, 2018, 10:54:31 AM »
Look at how many younger players have been put into the England spotlight in the last 18 odd months, starting with Hameed. Can we say it's done them any good?
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #387 on: May 31, 2018, 10:54:37 AM »
Separately Broad has been dropped, I understand.
You heard it hear first.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #388 on: May 31, 2018, 10:54:44 AM »
Quote from: Calzehbhoy on May 31, 2018, 09:42:36 AM
What is this obsession with having to be a certain age to be any good or "ready"? Surely the only way to know if he's ready or not is chuck him in and see how he gets on?

Didn't everyone declare Haseeb Hameed the savior of English Test Cricket when he debuted age 19?

If you're good enough, you're old enough. How do you find out if someone is good enough? Give them a chance. Simple, really...
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #389 on: May 31, 2018, 10:55:05 AM »
Quote from: Buzz on May 31, 2018, 10:54:37 AM
Separately Broad has been dropped, I understand.
You heard it hear first.

Michael Vaughan will be delighted...
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