Topic: England Vs India Test Matches (Read 166386 times)

HellomynameisJ · « **Reply #120 on:** July 27, 2018, 09:01:41 AM »

I've always been of the belief that you can be as talented as you like and have every skill in the book, but if you don't have the right character or attitude for test match cricket then you wont last long. Well done to Rashid, but I suspect he and the England selectors will be left with egg on their faces.

smilley792 · « **Reply #121 on:** July 27, 2018, 09:01:43 AM »

Does county cricket matter??

�Hi Kevin, to get back in the test squad you�ll have to go back to the county game and score some runs�

Kevin � hold my beer�

326 runs later in one innings

�Sorry Kevin we didn�t think you�d actually do it, here�s your p45..............�

Also Yorkshire �yes well give you a white ball contract Rashid, don�t worry about the red ball stuff�

�What do you mean you won�t play his red ball for us, disgraceful.......�

Yorkshire could have sent him on his way and not offered him the white ball Contract. I don�t see why people are getting so butthurt that he stuck to that contract when it came to the roses game??

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #122 on:** July 27, 2018, 09:21:03 AM »

County. Championship. As in championship of counties. Which bit don't you understand?

If I was simply a pathway to getting in the England team, it might perhaps be called 'England Pathway'.

If the County Championship doesn't matter, imagine how totally insignificant your own cricket is. Perhaps you ought to talk about it a bit less?

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #123 on:** July 27, 2018, 09:34:20 AM »

"I don't want to play red-ball cricket this year" is definitely a very different statement than "I don't want to play red-ball cricket this year, unless it's for England".

I very much doubt Rashid would have got a contract from Yorkshire if he'd said the latter.

six and out · « **Reply #124 on:** July 27, 2018, 09:53:37 AM »

One of things that i think is the biggest part of this all is the fact that the last time Rashid played Tests he actually wasn't that great, and the difference between red and white ball spin bowling is huge. I realise the debate regarding the counties and him turning his back on red ball cricket but i think that actual argument is getting a little lost etc...

Some stats for you all - current main spin bowlers in the ODI ICC Rankings - ODI vs Test averages

Adil Rashid - ODI 30.8, Tests 42.7
Rashid Khan - ODI 14.4, Tests 77.0 (realise only played 1 test - but he still went miles in it!)
Kuldeep Yadav - ODI 19.3, Tests 20.7
Imran Tahir - ODI 24.8, Tests 40.2
Mitch Santner - ODI 33.9, Tests 37.0
Shadab Khan - ODI 25.6, Tests 48.2
Shakib Al Hasan - ODI 29.5, Tests 31.8
Graeme Cremer - ODI 30.2, Tests 45.6

Interesting the 2 below are the only ones with better Test averages

Ravi Ashwin - ODI 32.9, Tests 25.3
Mo Ali - ODI 45.0, Tests 40.6

SD · « **Reply #125 on:** July 27, 2018, 10:09:58 AM »

Doesn't that show that the difference between his ODI and test averages is mirrored by other spinners around the world? They may have a better bowling average in limited overs (which isn't surprising given that batting averages are also lower in limited overs games) but if they are the best option available to their country then they are likeky to be selected

six and out · « **Reply #126 on:** July 27, 2018, 10:37:08 AM »

Quote from: SD on July 27, 2018, 10:09:58 AM

Doesn't that show that the difference between his ODI and test averages is mirrored by other spinners around the world? They may have a better bowling average in limited overs (which isn't surprising given that batting averages are also lower in limited overs games) but if they are the best option available to their country then they are likeky to be selected

Exactly....... the point is that moving from white to red ball for a spin bowler is completely different and difficult....... doesn't matter who, where, when.

It is a different pace, flight, field setting, patience, amount of overs, mentality etc... which is why many have and are currently failing.

Amazing spin bowlers like Tahir, Narine etc... simply not up to it in test cricket.

Also the same can be said the other way round, look at Ashwin (and Jadeja to a certain extent), he has been discarded by India in white ball cricket - to the point he was bowling leg spin in the IPL, but he will possibly/probably play in the tests.

Buzz · « **Reply #127 on:** July 27, 2018, 04:14:32 PM »

If Rashid has said to Yorkshire he would like to be considered for red ball cricket and then (the ECB said you must play) played last week this situation wouldn't be here.

I don't think he is that great, but Bess is in the twos and Leach hasn't played. Rashid has had international success.
It is what it is.
Worth noting that Root didn't want him in the squad.

ppccopener · « **Reply #128 on:** July 27, 2018, 04:34:21 PM »

hmm interesting Buzz

rumours about his attitude previously

Root must know his character but with the lack of success in recent times you suspect Smith has a lot of clout and is not afraid to use it?

golders · « **Reply #129 on:** July 27, 2018, 04:48:38 PM »

Quote from: Neon Cricket on July 27, 2018, 08:19:18 AM

Nah that's rubbish, it's not about his ability. His performances in the ODIs arguably deserve the call up and I don't despite that.

It's the fact he categorically came out and said how he wasn't interested in playing 4 day/test cricket. Makes a total mockery of the whole county system.

Nah now you are talking absolute cuck!
What do you know about spin bowlers and their mindset?
Bring up the quote where Rashid said he doesn�t want to play test cricket..go on.. and you will still be talking rubbish.

golders · « **Reply #130 on:** July 27, 2018, 04:49:47 PM »

If he deserves the call up, he deserves the call up.
Simples.
Maybe this says it all about how we treat leg spinners in this country and why we have never had a decent one?

Kulli · « **Reply #131 on:** July 27, 2018, 05:02:51 PM »

Quote from: golders on July 27, 2018, 04:48:38 PM

Nah now you are talking absolute cuck!
What do you know about spin bowlers and their mindset?
Bring up the quote where Rashid said he doesn�t want to play test cricket..go on.. and you will still be talking rubbish.

He said he didn�t want to play 4 day cricket as his heart wasn�t in it, for me that�s saying the same about tests.

six and out · « **Reply #132 on:** July 27, 2018, 05:07:28 PM »

This is a really interesting article from Jason Gillespie who obviously knows Rashid well. He says he thinks the problems really lie with the Rashid/Yorkshire relationship more than anything rather than Rashid and red ball cricket in general. And it all stems from the end of season game in 2016 that Rashid didn't play.

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/jul/27/adil-rashid-yorkshire-england-red-ball-cricket?__twitter_impression=true

edge · « **Reply #133 on:** July 27, 2018, 05:14:54 PM »

Quote from: golders on July 27, 2018, 04:49:47 PM

If he deserves the call up, he deserves the call up.
Simples.

Biggest missed point of all of this - Rashid was bobbins in tests last time he played, and that's why he hasn't played any more! He's improved a bit you suspect, but he's still going to get carted. Then you've got Porter or Curran, who with the best will in the world aren't going to really trouble test batsmen too much. So we've got Jimmy, Broad and Stokes with all the pressure on them, plus Root having to bowl. Good job none of them are injury prone or anything like that...

alexevo94 · « **Reply #134 on:** July 27, 2018, 05:44:46 PM »

Quote from: edge on July 27, 2018, 05:14:54 PM

Biggest missed point of all of this - Rashid was bobbins in tests last time he played, and that's why he hasn't played any more! He's improved a bit you suspect, but he's still going to get carted. Then you've got Porter or Curran, who with the best will in the world aren't going to really trouble test batsmen too much. So we've got Jimmy, Broad and Stokes with all the pressure on them, plus Root having to bowl. Good job none of them are injury prone or anything like that...

totally agree and the difference between test cricket and ODI are getting wider and wider. But at the end of the day its up to Rashid to prove everyone wrong. His comments about Vaughan were uncalled for and one of the reasons i like him as a pundit is it says it how it is. Poor Boycott must be fuming would love to here his opinion

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