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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #390 on: August 03, 2018, 12:40:48 PM »

I’ve said it before and I’ll probably have to say it again....

What does bayliss actually do? Time for him to go!!!

No point blaming the players anymore (I personally don’t think they’re that bad) it’s poor leadership and being afraid to b*****k them when they’re crap! When have you seen bayliss even remotely angry? Flower, fletcher and Moore’s used to be!
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« Reply #391 on: August 03, 2018, 12:43:18 PM »

I expect one day cricket will be blamed again for our lack of application

I really really do not buy it. its just an excuse

if your good enough you should be able to adapt between the two formats. overseas players do.

Not sure it’s that simple.

We’re picking guys on the basis of ODI form, and there’s been no domestic Red back cricket recently. They might not be the full reasons but sure they don’t help.
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« Reply #392 on: August 03, 2018, 12:43:21 PM »

Absolutely pathetic
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« Reply #393 on: August 03, 2018, 12:43:41 PM »

I’ve said it before and I’ll probably have to say it again....

What does bayliss actually do? Time for him to go!!!

No point blaming the players anymore (I personally don’t think they’re that bad) it’s poor leadership and being afraid to b*****k them when they’re crap! When have you seen bayliss even remotely angry? Flower, fletcher and Moore’s used to be!

Bayliss doesnt drop catches, doesnt run their partner out or play bad shots. Only so much a coach can do, these are meant to be international cricketers. Change coach and what do they do to fix it?
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #394 on: August 03, 2018, 12:45:06 PM »

Remind me of why Buttler was selected again?
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« Reply #395 on: August 03, 2018, 12:47:20 PM »

Bayliss doesnt drop catches, doesnt run their partner out or play bad shots. Only so much a coach can do, these are meant to be international cricketers. Change coach and what do they do to fix it?

Everything else has changed and these problems keep appearing what else is there to do

Bayliss has overseen the test decline
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« Reply #396 on: August 03, 2018, 12:51:27 PM »

Everything else has changed and these problems keep appearing what else is there to do

Bayliss has overseen the test decline

What would a new coach do? There is far more to it than just shouting at people. If these players cant go back in and know what they've done wrong they shouldnt be playing test cricket.

I agree with you there has been a test decline since Bayliss took over, its clear the ECB have focused on one day cricket. Are we good enough to be good at both? I'm not so sure. I still dont see how a new coach comes in and makes these players stop making silly mistakes. England have thrown this game away since the moment Root was run out on day 1. If they held their catches even with this second innings debacle they'd currently be over 200 runs infront
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« Reply #397 on: August 03, 2018, 12:53:01 PM »

Everything else has changed and these problems keep appearing what else is there to do

Bayliss has overseen the test decline

agree skipper and coach are responsible.

reading @SLA post is massively depressing....but there's a lot of truth in it.

I cant come to accept a permanent decline myself thou, perhaps im deluded
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« Reply #398 on: August 03, 2018, 01:08:10 PM »

agree skipper and coach are responsible.

reading @SLA post is massively depressing....but there's a lot of truth in it.

I cant come to accept a permanent decline myself thou, perhaps im deluded

I really don't think it's all doom and gloom as SLA describes it. Yes it is very bad but we have been here before and it just goes in cycles.

I almost hope that we get beaten that badly that it shows up the things that need changing. Like the CC schedule etc...

You must remember Strauss brought Baylis in on a remit to make our white ball cricket better at a time when it was absolutely dire.... so really he has done his job, the ECB have focused all their efforts on that etc... so sooner or later they will hopefully get a wake-up call and realise that they actually have to focus on red ball cricket now.
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« Reply #399 on: August 03, 2018, 01:10:28 PM »

I expect one day cricket will be blamed again for our lack of application

I really really do not buy it. its just an excuse

if your good enough you should be able to adapt between the two formats. overseas players do.

Overseas players don’t adapt !! It’s not just an England thing, it’s a world wide issue. This side saldy has a lot of white ball players in who we yet again keep pretending are upto test standard. They are if you want white ball mentality tests but not if you want adaptability, consistency of Cricket.

Either way, all the talk again of ‘heads to rool’ ‘Honesty’.. why?? They’ve never done it before so why does anyone expect different.. plus, name a RED ball cricketer who can replace any of these .... ROY.. LOL .. HALES.. LOL .. hameed was the closest and they told him to go away and expand his game and it’s broke him
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« Reply #400 on: August 03, 2018, 01:14:40 PM »

Everything else has changed and these problems keep appearing what else is there to do

Bayliss has overseen the test decline

It’s not Baylis ffs.. it’s the whole system both the ECB and the world game is producing. From kids upwards players mainly play limited overs.. menaing to get noticed you have to be a limited overs player.. only very rarely can these then transfer to red ball. Historically more people played more cricket paralleled to red ball.. so, you produced more red ball capable players as they grew up with it and developed styles and mentalities (don’t under estimate the mental side) to cope.

In addition, If you are 30or less in the pro world there is little merit in not playing primarily white bal.. money talks so all coaching, age group stuff and pro stuff is geared towards white ball.. coaching is geared that way..

So why does anyone expect sudddenly to produce players in any number who care capable of sudd Ely changing technical issues, mentality.

All nations are the same, this Indian side can’t bloody bat either unless it’s a pudding and they are not great vs spin either
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #401 on: August 03, 2018, 01:25:07 PM »

India are leaking runs now! They need to get the last 3 wickets quick..the lesser we have to chase, the better.
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« Reply #402 on: August 03, 2018, 01:25:31 PM »

For a young lad Curran has got some cajones!
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #403 on: August 03, 2018, 01:26:35 PM »

England do not deserve Surrey players
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« Reply #404 on: August 03, 2018, 01:31:28 PM »

England do not deserve Surrey players

You could argue Surrey don't deserve to be without the England players either
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